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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 8:10:43 GMT -8
Thanks for the support Serrin. Not to seem too idiomatic, but i am just flying by the seat of my pants so to speak at the moment, but I will be sure to let you know if I think of anything specific. I guess the most obvious thing would be just reaching out to people to see if they'd have any thing they'd be interested in having a Jedi come by and help out with. I think most of the work will be rebuilding our reputation for a while, so taking some 'shit' jobs at the start and working our way up so that if something happens in the future that needs some peaceful resolution, we'll be no. 1 on their speed dial.
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Post by Taralorn Melvarrik on Aug 29, 2015 8:57:59 GMT -8
Brilliant ideas, really.
I greet you, fellow Jedi. While not the most "patriotic" or by the book of all Jedi, Taralorn does believe in most of the ideals of the Jedi.
For those of you not too familiar with me, I hail from the era of the likes of Raven Alora, and the Jedi of Coruscant and Felucia.
Now, I have a half-baked idea, so feel free to shut me down at any time if it's too absurd. But I think from reading just this page alone, that there are some REALLY great ideas, but RL, being the royal nuisance it can sometimes be, takes people away, sometimes months to even years at a time. I would know, it happened to me.
I would like to propose an interactive format that allows for loose involvement, meaning people can come and go, and not hold up an entire storyline too long. So if within two weeks or more, say, a person doesn't respond or send notice to inform of their extended absence, we can assume they won't be back, and perform a basic-level GM to ease them out of the story without drastically affecting their character, while proceeding on with a storyline.
Of course, for this to work, it'd have to be stories that are continuous in its progress, with much open-ended opportunity, and no overly complex planning. Not saying that's a bad thing, but I think if we cultivate multiple options, we can attract more writers who might have varying tastes in style of writing an interaction.
I hope this was helpful.
By the way, howdy, Serrin. Long time no see. Good to see you still active.
Asyeline and Dimple send their regards from wherever they are these days.
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Aug 29, 2015 9:38:26 GMT -8
okay im curious since im about to bring Sihnyad in as a hopefully major role in Kel's rp proposal. Where and who is the Jedi Council more or less these days?
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Aug 29, 2015 10:13:55 GMT -8
... at the moment I think I'm pretty much the only one left... Since this is the case, we may also want to talk about some changes to the Council structure as well, since a PC Council doesn't really seem viable to me at this moment. Also I urge everyone to take a look at this RP proposal by Kel Sentriss and see what they think. No one has to get involved, but it would be cool if we got several heads in.
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Post by Cathaoir Ordo on Aug 29, 2015 10:52:31 GMT -8
K....looks like once I get news of this with Sihn that i'll be making contact with you then. You'll likely be on Felucia at that time right?
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Aug 29, 2015 11:03:05 GMT -8
Possibly. Could be off elsewhere. We'll see I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 13:04:02 GMT -8
I guess the most obvious thing would be just reaching out to people to see if they'd have any thing they'd be interested in having a Jedi come by and help out with. I think most of the work will be rebuilding our reputation for a while, so taking some 'shit' jobs at the start and working our way up so that if something happens in the future that needs some peaceful resolution, we'll be no. 1 on their speed dial. That does indeed sound like a decent way to start rebuilding the reputation of the Jedi Order as peacekeepers. Were you thinking of doing the reaching out primarily OOC? I was thinking that another idea based on yours, and given that not everyone will necessarily pop into the Jedi OOC planning thread and see what we are thinking, that we could possibly make another thread in the RP planning section (kind of "Want a Jedi or two to help maintain/ restore the peace? Let us know here and we'll send help ASAP!") dedicated to requests for Jedi intervention maybe? As in our leadership could keep an eye on it, use it for "quest giving" at the various academies, and/or individual Jedi could use the thread to find new people/ places to write? Welcome back Taralorn!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 18:31:00 GMT -8
Brilliant ideas, really.
I greet you, fellow Jedi. While not the most "patriotic" or by the book of all Jedi, Taralorn does believe in most of the ideals of the Jedi.
For those of you not too familiar with me, I hail from the era of the likes of Raven Alora, and the Jedi of Coruscant and Felucia.
Now, I have a half-baked idea, so feel free to shut me down at any time if it's too absurd. But I think from reading just this page alone, that there are some REALLY great ideas, but RL, being the royal nuisance it can sometimes be, takes people away, sometimes months to even years at a time. I would know, it happened to me.
I would like to propose an interactive format that allows for loose involvement, meaning people can come and go, and not hold up an entire storyline too long. So if within two weeks or more, say, a person doesn't respond or send notice to inform of their extended absence, we can assume they won't be back, and perform a basic-level GM to ease them out of the story without drastically affecting their character, while proceeding on with a storyline.
Of course, for this to work, it'd have to be stories that are continuous in its progress, with much open-ended opportunity, and no overly complex planning. Not saying that's a bad thing, but I think if we cultivate multiple options, we can attract more writers who might have varying tastes in style of writing an interaction.
I hope this was helpful.
By the way, howdy, Serrin. Long time no see. Good to see you still active.
Asyeline and Dimple send their regards from wherever they are these days. Honestly, I'd be really up for this idea. I mean, it kind of would work nicely alongside what I have planned, and it does make sense to cast our net wide, so to speak. As far as the Jedi Council is concerned, Aer is indeed the only one active/left, since everyone else is either dead (IC) or missing (OOC). Honestly, every time we've tried discussing wanting to change this, we get some discussion going, with a handful of different ideas, then we lose steam cause people dont want to talk about it, or the ideas doesn't make everyone happy. Honestly, I was just gunna claim Grand Mastership of the Order and just assume that any Jedi Masters that are left, are on the Jedi Council. I guess obviously that depends on a number of things, like people getting itchy when we have a Grand Master, and other people being Jedi Masters but not wanting to be on the Council. Last time I suggested an idea, it was that each Academy Headmaster would be on the Council, but I dont think we have enough actual Academy Headmasters to do that? Honestly, I really dont want to have to spend too much time on this matter, since its usually our undoing..... That does indeed sound like a decent way to start rebuilding the reputation of the Jedi Order as peacekeepers. Were you thinking of doing the reaching out primarily OOC? I was thinking that another idea based on yours, and given that not everyone will necessarily pop into the Jedi OOC planning thread and see what we are thinking, that we could possibly make another thread in the RP planning section (kind of "Want a Jedi or two to help maintain/ restore the peace? Let us know here and we'll send help ASAP!") dedicated to requests for Jedi intervention maybe? As in our leadership could keep an eye on it, use it for "quest giving" at the various academies, and/or individual Jedi could use the thread to find new people/ places to write? Welcome back Taralorn! It would primarily be OOC reaching out, but there would obviously be some IC stuff eventually. Having another thread would probably be a pretty solid idea, since, yes, not everyone follows this thread. If everyone is on board with this, I can get it setup in the next day or two if no one objects?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:37:42 GMT -8
I agree, Rawkill, that devoting a lot of time to debating how an IC council would work usually ultimately comes to nothing, so I would say that rather than trying to figure out a way for it to work we just settle for starting smaller, like with the thread to see about generating peace keeping missions and other "assignments" for people to participate in and also maybe doing some OOC leg work as you suggested to accomplish the same. Maybe, if that does in fact succeed in generating some IC work that would get active Jedi writers out and about and making the Jedi a legitimate "presence" in the Uni, we could then possibly see about making some kind of IC council, if it would even be necessary or wanted.
The idea of a council just never really seems to work out in Uni, so I'm not sure it's really necessary, unless maybe as a kind of background character. Maybe it could be mentioned in RP in a "the council decided x or y or z", or "the council assigned Jedi X to assignment Y", but it would never really need to be interacted with or RPd out IC. We could use the planning thread(s) to hash out what we'd want the council stances or decisions or assignments to be, and then just RP as though they had handed those things down.
As for Taralorn's idea about having a system in place to move things along when people disappear for extended periods of time, I think it's a fantastic idea, and would not even really need to be a GM type situation; I feel pretty sure most writers can always creatively "write" around an absent person without needing to actually write what that missing character did, provided they aren't a central piece of a story (like the "big bad guy"), in which case some other method of moving things along or finding an ending that everyone involved could agree on as how things played out might be needed.
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Post by Kel'Al Raganella on Aug 29, 2015 20:27:44 GMT -8
I have NPCs on Corellia as well. My availability is limited, but if you end up stuck in void, I normally will step in within a few days. As requested at one point by the Jedi Council, I am also keeping an NPC Knight on Coruscant.
I've been really busy IRL, so I haven't had much time to RP Kel'Al this summer, and that will probably continue for several more weeks, but I should be more active soon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 21:40:19 GMT -8
I agree, Rawkill, that devoting a lot of time to debating how an IC council would work usually ultimately comes to nothing, so I would say that rather than trying to figure out a way for it to work we just settle for starting smaller, like with the thread to see about generating peace keeping missions and other "assignments" for people to participate in and also maybe doing some OOC leg work as you suggested to accomplish the same. Maybe, if that does in fact succeed in generating some IC work that would get active Jedi writers out and about and making the Jedi a legitimate "presence" in the Uni, we could then possibly see about making some kind of IC council, if it would even be necessary or wanted. The idea of a council just never really seems to work out in Uni, so I'm not sure it's really necessary, unless maybe as a kind of background character. Maybe it could be mentioned in RP in a "the council decided x or y or z", or "the council assigned Jedi X to assignment Y", but it would never really need to be interacted with or RPd out IC. We could use the planning thread(s) to hash out what we'd want the council stances or decisions or assignments to be, and then just RP as though they had handed those things down. As for Taralorn's idea about having a system in place to move things along when people disappear for extended periods of time, I think it's a fantastic idea, and would not even really need to be a GM type situation; I feel pretty sure most writers can always creatively "write" around an absent person without needing to actually write what that missing character did, provided they aren't a central piece of a story (like the "big bad guy"), in which case some other method of moving things along or finding an ending that everyone involved could agree on as how things played out might be needed. Sounds like a pretty good plan to me. our ad is up: boards.jedivsith.com/thread/2791/jedi-peacekeepers-ready-lend-hand
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Aug 30, 2015 19:38:36 GMT -8
With all due respect, I don't think you can just "claim" Grand Master; all of the other Jedi writers should be in agreement over that sort of thing. That, and... The idea of a council just never really seems to work out in Uni, so I'm not sure it's really necessary, unless maybe as a kind of background character. Maybe it could be mentioned in RP in a "the council decided x or y or z", or "the council assigned Jedi X to assignment Y", but it would never really need to be interacted with or RPd out IC. We could use the planning thread(s) to hash out what we'd want the council stances or decisions or assignments to be, and then just RP as though they had handed those things down. This. I am definitely okay with this. Whether or not this has a Grand Master or not, well, I'm not sure, but we could keep tradition so far with it and not have a Grand Master even on the NPC Council. Or we can. It doesn't really matter, though someone like that should at least have a name.
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Post by Kel'Al Raganella on Aug 30, 2015 19:47:50 GMT -8
I agree, a PC Grand Master has always caused problems.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 22:07:29 GMT -8
I've honestly never really gotten why a Grand Master is such a bad thing (or why people are anti-GM). I mean, most times, it's usually someone against it cause it wouldn't be them. It's kind of always struck me as weird that the Jedi Order on JvS doesn't have a IC Grand Master or even a Master of the Order (the elected head of the Jedi High Council). I mean, if we just use the titles purely as plot devices, and not "this is the title of our OOC leader of everyone", it would make for some interesting RP.
Just some thoughts on the matter. Comparatively to some of you, I haven't really been around the Jedi on JvS all that long, so maybe stuff has happened in the past that has never caused this to work? Again, it just seems weird, especially since factions like the Galactic Republic have an IC Supreme Chancellor, and the Empire has an IC Emperor, and like the Order of Ruin has a Council of IC leaders, and yet stuff is mentioned about a IC Jedi Grand Master and High Council and people recoil in fear. I dont mean to start any fights, but I'm just curious why people are so against it or dont want to try make it work at least in an IC perspective?
dont get me wrong though, I'm still going to run things as we agreed so far, but I was curious.
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Aug 30, 2015 22:35:52 GMT -8
Part of it is bad history, for sure, and I definitely don't doubt that ego was involved in some past opposition (not in my case, I don't want the role). There's another part of me that wonders why there even is a single Grand Master and why not just let the Council act as a unified body, but I'm sure I'm the only one who feels that way about it.
Another thing I could foresee about a PC Grand Master, even if the intent is just to be the IC figurehead and not the OOC decision-maker, is that that could possibly be putting the character in a tough spot; while other would prefer one event to happen and therefore the "Council" agrees to it, the IC Grand Master may not feel that way and could feel like an out-of-character moment.
These and other reasons are why I feel like we should go with no PC Grand Master, or have one as part of an NPC Council. I'm probably the only one who sees things some of these ways, but that's how I look at it.
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Post by Kel'Al Raganella on Aug 31, 2015 12:08:21 GMT -8
The history is very, very ugly, but most of the ugliness was caused by people who are no longer on the site and failures to separate IC and OOC. I'm not saying it can't work, just that we've all had such bad experiences with the concept that no one has the appetite to make another attempt.
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Post by The Shepherd on Aug 31, 2015 15:58:47 GMT -8
The reasons we shouldn't have a Grand Master are simple, really, when you think about it.
Way back when, you had people claiming the title despite being clear and utter Mary Sues who did little - if anything - to really earn it. They'd just show up with their improbable youth and their unparalleled Force power and say they were the head honcho of the Jedi. Even if it was only their particular little sect of Jedi, the fact remained that people that could barely string a sentence together thought themselves on par with folks who could - and really should - be novelists. Like a good deal of things in the early days of JvS, it has something of a history of being something anybody could grab and nobody could really question on account of "limiting creativity". God, it makes me cringe just typing that statement.
But that's not really an issue anymore. Much like the folks causing the ugliness, the primary reasons for the sullying of the Grand Master title have since left, leaving...well, us. We merry few. A good and proper council ruling over a handful of people. Easy to manage? On paper. But then ego gets in the way, and nobody is innocent of that. We simply don't like playing second fiddle to someone else, or losing, or what have you. It'll happen. Maybe not immediately, maybe not even soon, but it will. It always does.
In my mind, I'm thinking an occasional big damn gathering would suit our purposes far better. Like a galactic State of the Union. Or a barbecue. Speech-now-beers-later sort of thing. Have all available Jedi meet up in some big secret location and discuss what needs discussing before acting in the best interest of the galaxy at large.
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Post by Taralorn Melvarrik on Aug 31, 2015 21:08:00 GMT -8
Hear hear! I agree with Rutil on this matter.
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Post by Vixont Rzirress on Sept 1, 2015 22:19:16 GMT -8
Well now, it seems I have stumbled into a rather serious discussion. I agree that ego gets in the way, but it isn't always the rule. But then again, I maybe incorrect, as I don't really know the history of this illustrious group. I do, however, agree that placing one person above all can bruise some egos. IC and OoC. Some people have a tough time differentiating between real and fantasy, which leads them to getting full of themselves. For example, one person whom has been on the site since it's inception could feel a little let down they weren't offered a ranking position when someone who hasn't been on as long does simply out of being popular.
As for the keyboard commandos who think they can just jump into a leadership role simply because they wish to, is laughable at best and pitiful at worst. But then again, that's just what I think. For what it's worth.
On a side note, my character is ready to jump in wherever he is needed.
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Post by Darth Belial on Nov 15, 2015 17:44:31 GMT -8
Well Hello my lovely Jedi pets, how are we doing this fine day, Good? Wonderful. So consider this your kil.. Roll Call.
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