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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2014 16:19:48 GMT -8
I... just wow... wow guys, really? I mean, I realize I may not have had the highest opinion of you lot, partially because of my bias about this Ryloth trial BS, but this really is kind of crap.
First you lot hound us for months about Ryloth and trying to run a mock trial, that started as just a small SL between just two people, then became the vehicle through which you wanted to repair Republic-Jedi relations, then we get dragged through all that BS, with Monte and Myself taking time to actually write this new treaty OOC, Only to have you lot just glaze over it in two posts IC, saying that the damn thing was all sorted out after two days in four hours of a senate session*, with barely a mention of two Jedi Scholars doing a draft over night in Darma's office, and then a mention in the senate rotunda that the Senate actually hashed it out? dafuq guys?
When in the history of ever, has an important treaty such as this, ever been written and sorted out in two days? Hell it took us writer's several times as long to sort it out OOC... and when in the fuck did this move from "oh a couple Jedi Scholar's helped write this" to "screw everyone, the REPUBLIC IS DA BESTEST!! WE WROTES IT ALL!!" without a single mention of any Jedi dignitaries or aides? I mean, you gave us all this BS talk about repairing relations IC and OOC, yet here we are...
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Post by Ael Jade on Oct 29, 2014 16:23:17 GMT -8
To be fair, I believe he said four days.
However... perhaps the misunderstanding is because Darma has had exams and was feeling pressured to post something regarding the new Senator immediately? It might be nothing more than that.
Perhaps the Senate will work it out IC just shortly here?
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Post by Crom'nen on Oct 30, 2014 7:01:02 GMT -8
Darma-no worries man.
Rawkill- what the hell is the matter with you brother? We wanted to get it done. And, our Chancellor has disappeared, as have many of the Senators who signed up from the Jedi just for the purpose of bashing me personally. So we've struggled to move forward. Lately, I don't know if you noticed, but it's been Darma and I, both who have been extremely busy. Maybe, instead of bashing us, try to show a little understanding. Why are you so mad? We AGREED to YOUR treaty! I for one am very thankful for the work that you did. But you are mad because we accepted it? I got to say man, I've come to respect you. From my interaction with you, this reaction of yours does not seem like the type of person that I have come to know. I just don't understand why you are mad. We are doing the best that we can. And we're trying to rebuild a faction. Moreover, we're trying to leave the past behind and move forward, past the conflict. I wouldn't think you would fault us for that.
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Post by Sara Ruluwoor on Oct 30, 2014 13:24:19 GMT -8
I think Rawkill is upset that his IC role and the IC complexity of the treaty were downplayed in the posts in the Rotunda. And he kind of has a point. But it's not worth getting upset about, friends. There is always an edit button. Just ask Darma to expand the narration when he has a chance.
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Post by Sara Ruluwoor on Oct 30, 2014 13:28:30 GMT -8
I am really sorry about my absence. I have been lurking and following your progress but I didn't realize it had been so long since I actually posted. I've kind of had writer's block as to how to jump back into the fray.
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Post by Ael Jade on Oct 30, 2014 18:17:20 GMT -8
I think Koronov has some valid points here. I understand where both Darma and Rawkill are coming from on this one, and I suspect there's some miscommunication involved. The Jedi put a lot of work into that treaty, and Darma has been busy. He straight up said he didn't have time to do it justice, but he wanted to get Zarine approved.
Ask him to expand the narration or reflect on it more in character sometime in the future when he has some more time at his disposal?
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Post by Vice-Chancellor Darma on Oct 30, 2014 20:26:44 GMT -8
@rawkill You want it changed? fine, see if I care. Since I apparently am incapable of doing anything correctly, would you mind sending me a PM with what you'd like my post say instead of it's current content? (which is apparently as much garbage as I said it would be, having no real functional thought processes after doing more writing in one weekend than I usually do in a full semester) Still kinda pulling my head together, sorry it's taking so long.
Nice post there S'daya, I'll try and get something up in the next 24 hrs if I can.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 21:45:08 GMT -8
Honestly, I could not care less if people recognize that Rawkill wrote part of this IC. What I do care about, as Koronov latched onto, was indeed the IC complexity that something of this nature would garner. Honestly though, at this stage, I really would just suffice with at least a mention that a Jedi delegation was present to help sort this out, since this whole thing was about the two factions co-operating and working together again, not one side or the other coming up with it alone. Hell you guys had the thing for several weeks to make any changes you wanted to, and when you said "nah we're good with this" you made it not just the Jedi's, but the Republic's as well.
Want to know why I am annoyed? because you guys wasted three months actually dragging us through the trial, not giving a care in the world for how long it took (because you wanted to be true to your two characters), then were like "well that's our SL sorted, let's glaze over this". I am sick of getting on here and constantly seeing the double standard that you guys keep perpetuating. You're trying to rebuild in the last couple months? we've been doing it for a year and a half and it got dragged out cause of your trial. You're busy with studying? what do you think some of us have been doing for the last three months whilst you drew out the trial. Every time something has not directly involved either of you two, it's all "let's glaze over this", yet we waited patiently whilst you guys took your time.
You constantly comment that the Jedi Order has fallen from it's former grace, yet the moment such comments are made about the Republic, it's suddenly heresay and we are the bad guys. I am honestly over getting constantly told the Jedi aren't doing anything right, with us trying to make changes (thanks in no small part to how many writer's have Jedi that aren't actually Jedi), and yet the Republic gets told it once or twice and instantly the Republic is the poor kicked puppy who did nothing wrong. Before hand, I was just trying to be nice to get this sorted in an amicable manner. Now? I'm just over dealing with your attitude's and would rather not be at all associated with this IC or OOC. So, I'm done guys, good work.
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Post by Senator Zarine S'daya on Nov 2, 2014 16:40:36 GMT -8
It is fine, Darma. I shall be around. (And thank you.)
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 2, 2014 16:50:31 GMT -8
Ok. Wow. I have not been around much the past couple of days due to excessive working and then going out for a dance (real life! it was almost scary), but it seems like things have deteriorated.
Guys, we all put a lot of time and effort into what we do on this site. We each have our areas of interest, whether Republic or Jedi. And I know this is going to sound naive, but can we try to set the tensions aside and play nicely? We don't have to like each other, but it would be great if we could keep things civil and polite.
You all know me. I'm not sure whether that's good or bad. But, I've sunk my heart into the Jedi Order. I don't get paid for what I do. I don't even know if I do a good job. But I work hard as a Jedi to be a Jedi, to work all the little plots together, to include everyone who wants to be included. And you know what, I still hear and see people who do nothing but bemoan the "good old days" of the Jedi Order. No matter what any of us do, no matter how hard any of us try, this Jedi Order will never match up to whatever amorphous standard some people have. And those good old days honestly were not very much liked, judging by the widespread criticism. To be honest, after more than a year's intense focus upon working in the Jedi Order, I am wondering if there is a point? I am wondering why there is a "Jedi Order" and given the opprobrium cast upon the Jedi Order, I have been giving more and more thought to creating a different order that is not called "Jedi"... but I am not yet sure that the Jedi Order is a completely lost cause. I hope it isn't.
*sigh*
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Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 2, 2014 18:11:02 GMT -8
It's not nieve, Jade - not at all. Play nice or not at all... that's a good mantra.
You guys don't have to agree, and you most certainly don't need to write together (any longer), but there is no place for drama on the boards, not any longer. I suppose you can consider me the drama-patrol. I'm kind of the new sheriff in town and I'm here to put an end to BS like this on the boards.
So, in saying that; kiss and make up, or go sulk privately. PMs are meant for shit like this, and if that doesn't work you have your peers, and if that doesn't work you have the Council... and if that doesn't you have the Whills. That is your support ladder - use it.
In closing I can understand Raw's anger. I'd be pissed too, but blasting each other isn't going to get anyone anywhere IC or OOC... collaborating isn't easy, never has been, but having good communication comes before writing. Assuming leads to exasperation of any situation; case in point.
Anyways, feel free to PM me if you guys feel slighted by my stepping in... *shrugs*
Ok, get back to the nice nice.
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Post by Vice-Chancellor Darma on Nov 5, 2014 20:22:47 GMT -8
Honestly, I could not care less if people recognize that Rawkill wrote part of this IC. What I do care about, as Koronov latched onto, was indeed the IC complexity that something of this nature would garner. Honestly though, at this stage, I really would just suffice with at least a mention that a Jedi delegation was present to help sort this out, since this whole thing was about the two factions co-operating and working together again, not one side or the other coming up with it alone. Hell you guys had the thing for several weeks to make any changes you wanted to, and when you said "nah we're good with this" you made it not just the Jedi's, but the Republic's as well. Want to know why I am annoyed? because you guys wasted three months actually dragging us through the trial, not giving a care in the world for how long it took (because you wanted to be true to your two characters), then were like "well that's our SL sorted, let's glaze over this". I am sick of getting on here and constantly seeing the double standard that you guys keep perpetuating. You're trying to rebuild in the last couple months? we've been doing it for a year and a half and it got dragged out cause of your trial. You're busy with studying? what do you think some of us have been doing for the last three months whilst you drew out the trial. Every time something has not directly involved either of you two, it's all "let's glaze over this", yet we waited patiently whilst you guys took your time. You constantly comment that the Jedi Order has fallen from it's former grace, yet the moment such comments are made about the Republic, it's suddenly heresay and we are the bad guys. I am honestly over getting constantly told the Jedi aren't doing anything right, with us trying to make changes (thanks in no small part to how many writer's have Jedi that aren't actually Jedi), and yet the Republic gets told it once or twice and instantly the Republic is the poor kicked puppy who did nothing wrong. Before hand, I was just trying to be nice to get this sorted in an amicable manner. Now? I'm just over dealing with your attitude's and would rather not be at all associated with this IC or OOC. So, I'm done guys, good work. Yeah I screwed that post up, I admit it. I didn't really want write anything that day 'cause I knew it wouldn't be up to par. It felt everyone just wanted this whole thing to be over with, so I posted it passing, and everyone being done with it. I meant no slight nor to minimize the complexity of it. I just wan't able to do it justice, due to lack of coherence since I was practically high on caffeine()plus whatever effects exhaustion is supposed to have), so I kept it simple trying get enough covered that SL's could move on. You'll notice the entire post was excessively simplistic, not just the part about the new charter. I didn't mean to slight anyone, I was just to out of it to do a proper job and still the only one on with the IC authority to post what needed to be posted. (If anyone wants my IC job, they're welcome to it, a ten year old could do a better job than I have I'm sure, but no one else has stepped forward, so I'm stuck here) I will go back and rewrite the post, doing my best to elaborate the complexities and the role the Jedi, Rawkill and Monte especially, had in the treaty. (when I said the senate hashed it out, I'd only meant they argued a bit over the senate's side of the treaty but decided to keep it as it was written by the Jedi) I'm not trying to give excuses, I'm just trying explain why this post was so terrible. We all put with a lot of crap IRL' I know. I just don't handle the stress as well as most, sorry.
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Post by Vice-Chancellor Darma on Nov 5, 2014 21:01:52 GMT -8
Edit made, is it still to simple? I don't remember most of the details anymore, so I probably butchered the details. Corrections appreciated.
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Post by Sara Ruluwoor on Nov 5, 2014 21:24:15 GMT -8
Vice-Chancellor Darma, my opinion isn't the most important one, but I think it's a good revision. Thanks for doing that. So apparently Ice isn't getting a new laptop as soon as expected, and that means I can't do anything about a diplomatic mission to Honoghr right away. That means I'm free for another SL ... does anyone have a political RP that I could use to get Koronov back involved in the Republic again?
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Post by Atia on Nov 6, 2014 7:49:27 GMT -8
The Charity Ball, as soon as the invasion is done with.
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Post by Senator Zarine S'daya on Nov 9, 2014 15:32:17 GMT -8
Well Senator Koronov, as we both represent worlds with a notable Jedi population we could always have an in character meet-up and dialogue. Atia, please let me know when the Charity Ball starts. I don't want to overlook it, but as far as I can tell, there is no set start date yet?
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Post by Sara Ruluwoor on Nov 9, 2014 21:30:15 GMT -8
Well Senator Koronov, as we both represent worlds with a notable Jedi population we could always have an in character meet-up and dialogue. I'm in my office. You're welcome to visit.
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Post by Senator Zarine S'daya on Nov 12, 2014 17:34:20 GMT -8
Ah...and I suppose your office actually is a concrete location in space-time?
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Post by Sara Ruluwoor on Nov 12, 2014 17:43:21 GMT -8
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Post by Senator Zarine S'daya on Nov 12, 2014 17:46:29 GMT -8
Oh stuff it! lol I'm already working on a reply. Btw, you left yourself open for this. Any chance you're popping into chat? *grins*
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