Dominik Malsk
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Post by Dominik Malsk on Nov 5, 2013 20:04:57 GMT -8
Only if its chocolate.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 6, 2013 0:08:53 GMT -8
So, as part of the problem and as among the assumed leadership and representative of the systemic issues, lets put forth some solution-based dialogue.
We've seen the comments, heard the concerns. I applaud those few brave and mature who have brought up grievances.
Some solutions put forth that I have personally suggested and/or endorsed:
(1) Jedi Council reelections, we've been insulated for too long. I don't mind putting myself in the hot seat, if I am meant to be there-- let my peers keep me there.
(2) Jedi High Councilors hold regular 'office hours' on Coruscant as part of an effort to welcome new writers, provide them a place to start, and centralize the Order. If not physically, then the Councilors should be accessible via holocomm in the Council Spire.
(3) to keep posts flowing I think I want to propose bringing back the 48 hour courtesy time for a writer to post or check in saying "sorry, rough week/internet down/ out of town etc." and give an estimate when to post.
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Aerandir Calmcacil
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 6, 2013 0:44:30 GMT -8
... bit much to ask right now seeing as there's a big war going on, don't you think? Not that they can't be thoughts for later, so I'll give my own thoughts on them. 1. Honestly I feel the only issue with the current Council is that there are too many seated that just don't come around as often as they used to, or at all. I don't think an entire reelection is necessary, just shuffle out the inactive ones, and if they return (and I hope they do) and wish to rejoin the Council, I say we let them; in the meantime we can just IC say they're on leave for duties or some such. I also feel any inactivity in our discussions was caused by a combination of inactive Councilors as well as stalled RP, so there just hasn't been much to talk about. 2. I do believe we've always agreed that anyone should have easy access to the Council via the chambers even if it's just via holographic link, but since it's not in writing anywhere, no one remembers that. That part's not really new. 3. I never really liked the idea of forcing timeframes like this on people, especially if something serious happens and they really can't get a notice up in such a short amount of time, whether it's due to lack of service or something worse like emotional trauma due to a tragic event. If we had something like this implemented, I'd rather it be a few days as opposed to 48 hours, but less than a week. Of course, I'm sure you're thinking more of an unwritten OOC sort of thing, and if not, why aren't you bringing this up to the Whills or PGC?
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 6, 2013 6:42:36 GMT -8
1. That's cool, I'm popular enough as I hermit, I don't mind a re-election. 2. Um, there are no forests for me to hide in on Coruscant. How can I have an office that's not in a jungle? 3. Sometimes, I don't check in for a few days and nothing has happened, so I wait a few more to see if anything will...
Okay, but seriously.
1. If people think there needs to be a change, then perhaps we should figure out which changes are best for the Order as a whole. I'm all for listening to opinions, but just because the opinion is said loudest doesn't mean it's best (not pointing any fingers in any direction...except maybe at myself). We do have some inactive Council Memebers, maybe instead of a completely clean slate, we just rotate those seats? Like Aer said.
2. That sounds doable in theory. Always has, even the first time it was mentioned. I've even, sort of , implemented it. If you need to get a hold of Devlin but don't want to traipse through the jungles of Ossus, just ask, I'll meet you on Coruscant...though possibly by hologram.
3. Eh, Ossus moves slow enough that I'm not too bothered by this. Of course when you're the only Jedi on the planet, atm... Really, I'm just really bad at split timelines. I don't like them. I prefer one time stream for Devlin. Others are free to do as they will, though; I won't judge you (some people juggle geese, others are Time Lords). So, it seems like I'm a slow poster or might ignore [read: not get involved in every thread on Ossus] some topics; but that's only because I don't see a way to get Devlin involved at that very moment. Perhaps he's involved somewhere else or perhaps he's sleeping (hey, even Jedi Masters and High Council Members need sleep [maybe not Dav]...well, at least this one). Nor do I like to have my hand in every pot (perhaps why I only have 1 PC and a small smattering of NPCs). Sometimes, I just like to read the posts happening on-planet and see where they go. If things are progressing well without me, I see no need to shoehorn step in. If Devlin's needed, I always assume I'll get the memo...perhaps that isn't the best way to RP a Praxeum leader, but I prefer a "go with the flow" style of RP...or at least try to.
Did that help?
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Post by Xeonon Solomon on Nov 6, 2013 7:46:52 GMT -8
Reads but doesn't do anything prodctive
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 6, 2013 9:32:42 GMT -8
1. I think both methods have validity, but if we are doing a good enough job, we will be retained by our peers and the others will not and be replaced by those who will. To serve the Order, this opinion won't be swayed, because I am confident that those Councilors who serve well will keep their jobs.
2. I am glad we are still on the message page, though theory needs to jump into practice more. For all of us.
3. I understand those concerns Are, albeit extreme concerns and if those reason are popping up frequently, which they shouldn't or else the laws of emergency are changed to normalcy. But I'd be willing to extend to 72 hours. If they fall off for that long and they have an emergency, at the risk of sounding callous, they should understand that universe must keep on spinning.
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 6, 2013 10:08:19 GMT -8
I agree with Will on this.
Side note: Thanks to Will, Devlin, and Aerandir for realizing that none of this was specifically intended as a personal attack upon any one individual. I highly doubt the writers involved try to make others feel unwelcome due to malicious forethought.
Back to topic: I am for the clean slate re-elections for the same reason Will stated: those who deserve to be on the Council will naturally still deserve to be on the Council in a re-election and would be voted back in. Totally new elections in theory should keep any specific councilor from feeling singled out.
As far as a hard and fast limit on waiting for posts, I'm not convinced there needs to be a set-in-stone-one-must-post-within-these-hours. But after three days I would say unless one has communicated reasons for lack of postage, then it is not reasonable to become upset upon looking at the SL again and realizing that things have moved on further in one's absence. We're all writers here, I'd like to think we can all make a summary post and catch back up with events.
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 6, 2013 13:10:11 GMT -8
I tried making people feel unwelcome on Ossus--since I'm a hermit--it didn't work. I even hung a sign in orbit that read "Go Away!" in big flashing letters...but it just floated away. Or some crazy spacer shot it, I can't remember which.
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Post by Alpharius on Nov 6, 2013 13:46:39 GMT -8
Sorry, that was me. I'll put it back...
Eventually.
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Will Sontir
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Post by Will Sontir on Nov 6, 2013 16:07:32 GMT -8
I do mean at least a OOC check in, not just IC posts.
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Nov 6, 2013 16:55:09 GMT -8
Resi is still here, but I'm thing about having him fall to the dark side, maybe an ongoing RP with some of the Jedi from the temple trying to redeem him (with the IC excuse being they were friendly during the time he was at the temple or something).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 17:45:45 GMT -8
In light of what has happened, If a cleaning of house occurs, and new councilors are elected i would propose the following measure:
Shrink the size of the council.
Each jedi academy/base (Ossus, Felucia, Corellia,... etc) Gets 1 seat and is guaranteed one jedi from their fold to represent them.
if you feel that at that point the number on the high council still seems small compared to the number of active jedi, add one or two other jedi who are not affiliated with any order, or who have overwhelming support throughout the order
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Adi
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Post by Adi on Nov 6, 2013 17:57:44 GMT -8
Well, in light of what has happened, apparently, Adi isnt falling dark, methinks. So....Adieumus Matango, checking in.
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Exchequer Australis
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Post by Exchequer Australis on Nov 6, 2013 18:00:00 GMT -8
You can always have OOC leaders for the Jedi and keep the IC the same or different. OOC leadership is a bit different as it can be anyone who you think will lead with great enthusiasm and purpose. Just an idea
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Corr
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Post by Corr on Nov 6, 2013 19:29:40 GMT -8
I've always thought that the Jedi council should be NPCs or referred to in narration. That would stop any elitist idea's from occurring and keep everyone on the same level. Not that I really give a damn being a Mando but its just a thought.
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Exchequer Australis
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Post by Exchequer Australis on Nov 6, 2013 19:33:35 GMT -8
I've always thought that the Jedi council should be NPCs or referred to in narration. That would stop any elitist idea's from occurring and keep everyone on the same level. Not that I really give a damn being a Mando but its just a thought. You don't even have to do that, if you separate OOC and IC. Have a few OOC leaders to drive RP while having an IC board as well. IC leaders don't have to be OOC leaders and so forth.
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Atton Kaelan
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Post by Atton Kaelan on Nov 6, 2013 19:41:12 GMT -8
In light of what happened...wait...what happened?
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Adi
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Post by Adi on Nov 6, 2013 20:07:03 GMT -8
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Atton Kaelan
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Post by Atton Kaelan on Nov 6, 2013 20:13:59 GMT -8
...oh
In that case...if you need some help, I volunteer to do what I can.
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Devlin Dewe
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Post by Devlin Dewe on Nov 6, 2013 20:23:28 GMT -8
Gosh, I leave for a minute and everything falls apart.
...And just when I was going to unveil a Dav Man'Sell action figure.
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