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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 15, 2014 23:20:17 GMT -8
Point of Information, primarily for Ish: Sith can't be a member of the Republic. The Republic Charter actively outlaws the Sith traditions and the use of the Dark Side. So your character/world would have to actively hide it's allegiance with the Dark Side, and do a good job of hiding it too. By the By, I went and found it - the Republic Charter/Constitution document is here: Republic CharterPer request of Ludo, I endeavored to find the original Galactic Republic Constitution/Charter to show that the Jedi's relationship is in fact codified in our governing documents-- but it seems it may have not survived the crash. :-( Disheartening to me as I was one of the main authors of the Constitution. But alas, what was written can be unwritten-- and rewritten. |
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Post by Crom'nen on Jul 16, 2014 6:14:35 GMT -8
Part of the problem with the vocal minority is that they are vocal. I think part of this misunderstanding comes that other believed them, and doubt all members of the Republic from the outset. Our two factions should be separate, but equal. I will admit that it frustrates me that it seems that within the Jedi, there seems to be this belief that the Republic answers to the Jedi, while the Jedi are above the Republic. Isn't that the opposite of the Old Republic Jedi? I don't see you guys as our servants, but some mutual accountability would be beneficial. This expectation of one-way accountability has to stop. In the end, we are separate factions. We do not belong to you, even though we have many shared members. We should be working WITH you, not UNDER you.
I must say, after the events of yesterday (especially the way I was being discussed in the chat), I was ready to walk away. This is supposed to be a hobby, something that I do for fun, that the dr. says should help with my depression. Instead, I read in the chat yesterday (among other things) how I was forcing Cihlbar to step down so I can take the chancellorship (then read that the Jedi council would veto that, but once again, we don't belong to you). Funny, since I've turned down the chancellorship three times, and have encouraged Will Sontir to remain in the role. I'm not going to file bullying reports, because I'm an adult. I would rather handle the situation like an adult then run to the Whills and say "mommy! They're being mean to me!" I know others on this site have been put through much worse.
Rawkill, Eralam, I don't see you guys as bullies or bad people. One thing I would ask in the future. If you have problems and questions, why don't you send me a PM instead of trashing me in a public forum when you don't have any facts? This whole thing could have been avoided if one person, just anyone, had taken a moment to ask questions and listen. If an RP is set up between two people, there should be a moment of "huh. Maybe this is their business." instead of everyone else getting involved in something that doesn't affect them. That said, I thank you for your understanding.
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Post by Crom'nen on Jul 16, 2014 6:15:53 GMT -8
Perhaps we should rewrite the charter and put a copy on the Wiki as a backup?
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 16, 2014 6:47:57 GMT -8
Wookiepedia is definitely an idea, not something I have the strength or time for this season. But I will definitely help guide the next author.
I will say unequivocally that my desire to step down from the Chair was completely and utterly voluntary and unselfish. I didn't want the thing to begin with (check the very beginning pages of this thread to understand how it all went down). Crom'nen's vocal DISSENTION (not the majority opionion-- at least at first) IC was a very welcome dynamic to the Republic and actually required in order to have healthy conflict dialogue on the floor and in committee.
His theoretical transition to the thrown is a part of a predestined 'House of Cardsy' RP where Crom'nen IC uses guile and manipulation to take over the GR. I have complete faith in OOC as an author to do everything in the best interests of the Republic.
People also might often forget that my main character is also a prominent Jedi Master; and as such I am afforded an intimate perspective of both the vision and direction of both user groups. They are indeed seperate entities and should be respected as such. However, their IC connections to RP opportunities are inseparable and should be working much closer together. Without the conflicts that the Jedi/Sith/Mando issues that inevitably pop up, the GR often finds itself twittling its thumbs until the next war. And without diplomacy RPs and domestic issues inside the GR, the Jedi would have no justice or peace to protect. It's a cycle.
Just offering perspective. But one stance I will take strongly: The Galactic Republic, for what it is worth, would not still be here without the efforts of Darma and Crom'nen and the work they have been doing in recent months to keep SOMETHING going.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 6:54:35 GMT -8
I think it is a fair point to make that the line between mutual accountability get's quite blurred between the Republic and Jedi a lot (especially as has been seen in certains areas of canon), so I won't say it comes as a surprise that this has bled over to JvS. I will make this point though, don't hold too many expectations that we will mirror the Old Republic Jedi, to expect us to mirror them point for point, is something even I am skeptical of. But never the less, we are indeed seperate factions that are meant to work alongside one another, for the most part at least (since I can safely agree we both know the Jedi and Republic are prone to going behind one another's back from time to time to achieve certain goals).
Since I was not privy to that particular conversaton in chat, my only remark to add to that, is that it at least it seems the Jedi agree with you that Will/Cihlbar is a good fit for the role.
I will say this, my intent was never to trash you in a public forum. I was merely asking questions so as to liston to some answers. I would ask that you do take a moment to listen and consider this though: it is an awesome SL idea with some great potential, and under different circumstances, I am sure people would have merely passed it off as yours and Mahir's "business", but the way things are shaping up, it's really starting to affect not just yourself and Mahir, but the Republic and Jedi as well. After all, you said yourself this would hopefully lead to patching relations between the Republic and Jedi. I think you underestimate your own SL my friend. But I digress, I wish you the best of luck, and look forward to how things develop.
This aside, hopefully once the Jedi get better organized, you Republic types can help us stir up some RP's of varying degree's, so we have some peace and justice to protect, as Cilhbar mentioned.
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 16, 2014 7:28:35 GMT -8
That's big of you and your humility to continue to recognize the misunderstandings we have had is a true example of how we should be handling conflict almost 8 years after this project has started. We need more authors like yourself through JvS. Thank you.
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 17, 2014 12:46:36 GMT -8
Well now. I have posted opening a general Senate meeting in the Rotunda, if everyone would be so kind as to make there way there in orderly fashion we can get SOMETHING started. Raw, you can totally attend as a Jedi observer if you so choose in the visitors deck. The Jedi as a whole are not enemies of the state, nor will they so long as I am in charge. . .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 16:30:15 GMT -8
I'll be sure to drop by...
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 20, 2014 15:03:47 GMT -8
Still waiting on a few more writers. . .
unless Crom, you feel the players essential are already present; then we can move forward and the others can write themselves in as they see fit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 21:43:22 GMT -8
Why hello there my dear friends of the Republic!
I come to you with a proposition, one that I believe would be beneficial to both of us - though considering the Tion Cluster isn't on the boards the benefit is more on your end rather than mine. The details will be better stated in character, but as the Republic is in need of folks to help around the house, I offer my services and those of the Tion Cluster to give you folks a helping hand. That's four hundred and some worlds you won't have to worry about, that can funnel soldiers, warships, and resources into the Republic all for the low price of trade and commerce.
We Tion's love our Corellian rum - so a discount wouldn't hurt.
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 20, 2014 22:24:28 GMT -8
Ah ha, a very interesting proposal. . . .we definitely could use the help around the house for sure. . . .I am turning it in my head about the best way to introduce you to the grand narrative of the GR. I did just open the Rotunda to a general assembly meeting of the Senate if you wanted to join us there. Are you interested to writing as a senator? or. . . . sort of like a rep from, say, a benevolent Trade Federation representative speaking on behalf of the Cluster in the 'best interests of commerce and the Cluster' sort of thing?
We do have a priority of this Jedi thing, but the next order of business would be military infrastructure and my handing down controversial Executive Orders to an apathetic Senate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 22:33:49 GMT -8
I believe the best route for my assimilation to take place is have the issue with the Jedi take priority, as you have mentioned, then as a 'secondary' but by no means of lesser import, the Tion Cluster's addition into the Republic. As the Cluster bears the stain of housing the old CIS, I think it would be best if we weren't put on the same page as the Trade Federation and their ilk.
However acting as both the Senator/ Representive of the Cluster is what I had in mind for this character, so either route works well for me. Though it seems the Republic may need another Senator who can fill the various roles required whenever issues arise - so I'll take the reigns of a Senator once I get to posting this coming weekend. I've got this project of fleshing out the Tionese warships and military assets, so I'll be a bit busy posting wise.
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 20, 2014 23:27:44 GMT -8
great, you do that. I will do more research on the Cluster so i am more IC knowledgeable about the dang thing.
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Post by Crom'nen on Jul 21, 2014 7:48:15 GMT -8
I'm all willing to go... but Mahir hasn't responded to me in a while. He took as much a beating as I did in chat, so I'm a little worried about that. I did send him a PM, so I'm just waiting on him.
Do we want to RP out the inclusion of the Cluster, or just assume that it has happened. Let's be honest, the sooner we can include new members, the better. But that's just me. What does everyone else think?
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Post by Chancellor Cihlbar on Jul 21, 2014 7:56:22 GMT -8
Yea, I definitely am not trying to stall its inclusion, I am just trying to have its definitive relationship in the Republic, because it is a cluster and a center of commerce, it isn't just a planet.
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Post by Nase Talsey on Jul 21, 2014 8:06:49 GMT -8
Crom, I wouldn't mind seeing some ugly worm heads on Corulag. I'm starting to write there again, if you have time I wouldn't mind seeing some political reinforcements sent to try to placate Corulag's citizenry. But I understand if you are busy
I have wifi back for two weeks and am trying to post as much as possible
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Post by Crom'nen on Jul 21, 2014 8:21:46 GMT -8
I'm working with four planets right now. That might have to be my limit. Sorry.
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Post by Nase Talsey on Jul 21, 2014 8:30:06 GMT -8
Understandable. Well if you have anyone shirking their duties… my offer stands to them as well
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 8:32:35 GMT -8
Yea, I definitely am not trying to stall its inclusion, I am just trying to have its definitive relationship in the Republic, because it is a cluster and a center of commerce, it isn't just a planet. Perhaps having the Tion Cluster be a part of the Republic, like the Hapes Consortium and Imperial Remnant were with the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances, might serve our purposes for a clearly defined relationship. So a Client state, in other words? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 9:46:52 GMT -8
Certainly sounds like a sound plan for me...
also i had a question:
in "legends" canon Scipio is home to a Intergalactic Banking Clan headquarters and vault. would you like if i brought that to the table, or would it be best to leave it off since scipio is off the boards and thus cannot be fought over
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