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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 9, 2020 14:18:55 GMT -8
Imperial II GA-class Star DestroyerShip Class: Star Destroyer Ship Role: Destroyer, Carrier, Command Ship Ship Length: 1,600 meters Agility (A): 2 Defensive (D): 3 Offensive (O): 5 Speed (S): 2 Special Gear: 3 (Gravity Well Generator, Cloaking device) Description: after the devastation brought by the Yuuzhang Vong upon the Galaxy and well into the war -when loses started to be substantial-, the Galactic Alliance commenced a process of much-needed restructuration that continued well after the conflict was finished. Among other things, a new military facility was constructed over Coruscan't orbit, the Crix Madine Madine Military Reserve, named after the deceased Rebel hero. From that facility were issued a number of retrofit and upgraded ISD-IIs that were named after figures from the Alliance: Mon Mothma, Anakin Solo -much to the chagrin of Jaina and Han Solo- and Elegos A'kla. The newly-launched destroyers received several upgrades and were the first among the Imperial-class to have gravity well generators. More so, they weren't exposed and vulnerable, like those in both the Dominator and Interceptor classes, but well within the ship's hull, making them versatile interceptor ships with the full power of an ISD. Also, the ship had state-of-the-art weaponry, including four masive turbolasers at the ship's nose, which were capable of delivering enormous damage at long range. However, the improved weaponry and the gravity wells consumed large amounts of energy and thus the engine and shield power were below those of the standard-issued Star Destroyers. Many of the ship's non-essential systems had to be shut down prior to firing the large frontal turbolasers or else the power output would fry them completely. Among the included weaponry there are baradium and concussion missile launchers, proton torpedoes and advanced anti-starfighter cannons. Another special addition that the Anakin Solo was a "cloaking cone" integrated midway into the ship's hull which, combined with sensor jamming, made the ship virtually undetectable and invisible. 8 octuple barbette turbolaser cannons, 60 heavy turbolaser batteries, 65 heavy turbolaser cannons, 22 heavy ion cannons, 2 heavy tractor beam projectors, 10 tractor beam projectors, 66 ion cannons, 20 multi-purpose missile-launchers (concussion, baradium, proton torpedos) and 52 point defense laser cannons and, of course, 4 long-range heavy turbolaser at the ship's nose make up its array of weapons The ship hangar can hold up to 72 fighters, a full wing. However, the space has been adapted for the variety of starfighters fielded by the Galactic Alliance and can also hold smaller freighters like YV-666 or YT-1300 models, removing the usual TIE racks on ISDs. The Anakin Solo became the most important vessel of its kind as it was the flagship of Jacen Solo, later known as Darth Caedus, serving as his mobile headquarters and fighting in several battles like that of Kashyyk and the one which ended in the destruction of Centerpoint Station.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Jan 9, 2020 14:33:21 GMT -8
Wouldn't this be a custom model rather than a canon? After all, the Anakin Solo is a custom built ISD for the Galactic Alliance Guard. It wasn't one widely used besides during the time of the vessels exist compared to other ISDs.
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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 9, 2020 14:41:52 GMT -8
It could be called "a canon custom". But yes, it's canon. All three ISD issued by the GA are described as having the gravity well generators, so I guess the broader modifications apply to every other model of the line. I think Jacen's specifications came with the interior, like the inclusion of a supercomputer, secret chambers -like one with an Embrace of Pain- and a large detention facility. However, that could also include the cloaking device, but I feel it fits well the ship's role and, to be honest, I find the concept of a cloaking ISD fascinating.
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Jan 9, 2020 17:09:08 GMT -8
I mean, yes they were custom built by the GA in Canon, but they are still Canon ships.
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Post by Luxeria on Jan 9, 2020 21:27:34 GMT -8
Looking at the two additional entries for the three created, I feel basing it off the Anakin Solo may be a bit of a stretch, at least regarding jammers and cloaking device as neither of the other two versions mention them.
Also, we need to flesh out weapon counts, especially in order to validate it as a 5 in offense. Even with the four front turbolasers, I wouldn't feel its that much more powerful.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Jan 9, 2020 21:37:35 GMT -8
Well, the long-range turbolasers are quite powerful. Around this time, the Megador, a Super-class Star Destroyer, in the fleets of the Imperial Remnant, had three placed within its arsenal. According to its Wookieepedia article, "During the Second Galactic Civil War, it was equipped with three long-range turbolaser batteries, which had a total firepower that eclipsed the total firepower of five Imperial II-class Star Destroyers." So it could warrant the 5, seeing as a standard Imp II is a 4 in offense.
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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 10, 2020 0:55:29 GMT -8
The long-range turbolasers were described as being quite devastating in the very novel series. I mean, if they had to shut down all but the live-sustenance systems to fire them and it slowed the recharge rate of all the other guns it must have been... naughty haha. Anyway, the cloaking device and the sensor jamming is something these ships could acommodate, so, why not? If it's a canon of a custom canon it's still a canon.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Jan 10, 2020 9:14:36 GMT -8
Actually, Renzo, you may need to drop something anyway. Your point count is over 15. We do give exceptions when it comes to say something involving a vessels uncanny speed or unyielding firepower, but in this case, considering its a modified ISD II model, you might need to drop one of your special gears or remove a point from one of your base stats. Seeing as you seem to copying straight from the base Anakin Solo ship herself, and she didn't have communication jammers, might be wise to drop those to round it down to the limit of 15. Otherwise, dropping any other stat or special gear should do the job. ----------------------------------------- Correction: this submission is over 2 points, seeing as the cloaking device is worth 2 points and you are at the limit without the cloak device. Thank you for the correction, Luxeria. In that case, I would lower the Offensive stat down to a 4. A regular ISD II is a 3 stat and I don't think the four long-range turbolasers warrants a jump to 5. And probably might need to eliminate one of your special gears in order to come back down to the limit. ----------------------------------------- A thought also occurred. Maybe its better if this submission was titled Imperial II-class Star Destroyer (Anakin Solo refit). This is a modified ISD II essentially, not a standard utilized by the Galactic Alliance (save for the introduction of gravity well projectors in some models, like the Mon Mothma).
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Post by Luxeria on Jan 10, 2020 11:30:08 GMT -8
Actually, it is 3 points over. Having the offense rated at a 5 automatically bumps it to a 6. I also didn’t think about the cloaking device requiring two points, so the special gear needs to have 5 points. So 6+5+3+2+2=18.
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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 11, 2020 6:40:02 GMT -8
Zion himself told me that being a canon ship it could, and should- go over limits. Originally, I had set it at 15, but he said I should include the points from cloaking and the speed&agility I had removed originally. He said the cloaking needed two, one for sensor jamming and another for the device itself, that's why it has the jamming system. But I could remove that and add leave the cloaking as it it's. Maybe it could, indeed, be an Anakin Solo refit -canon custom-, as maybe the standard refit only has the gravity wells and not the cloaking. However, I do think that the firepower is a 5, since the standard ISDII is a four and this one has more weapons and those frontal turbolasers. Considering the ship could face the Hapan fleet all on its own and command campaigns the firepower must have been... substantial.
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Post by Luxeria on Jan 11, 2020 7:29:51 GMT -8
Well, with Nic mentioning the idea of creating it as an Anakin Solo refit, not sure of his take on the points being over at the moment. However, the cloaking device is a 2 point requirement due to how advantageous it is. So keeping everything requires the special to be bumped to a 5. But as already mentioned due to how powerful the frontal lasers are alone with the inclusion of the weapons (which I would suggest taking from the new refit submission by Nic) which is more than a typical Imperial II by a bit, it would be a 5 in offense.
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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 11, 2020 8:06:15 GMT -8
Okay, edited. Since it didn't carry massive amounts of troops, apparently, just the GAG personnel (around 1,000) and the other features were more prominent I trimmed it down, both the sensor jamming and the troop space deleted from the special gear. As it's right now the ship would be worth 16 points, which I think it's rather fair for a flagship like this one; all things considered, one point over the limit is far better than three and, tbh, I don't think I can cut down any other point.
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Post by Luxeria on Jan 12, 2020 22:14:29 GMT -8
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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 13, 2020 1:33:44 GMT -8
Done.
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Jan 13, 2020 3:51:00 GMT -8
For clarity, I never said it should go over the limit, just that it could go over it. Given this and its sister ships status within Canon though, having it exceed the limits did not seem too far a stretch for me.
as it stands right now, I am ok with it as a 16 point ship. Though, admittedly, I will be with holding my vote given my involvement in its design.
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Post by Luxeria on Jan 13, 2020 23:04:21 GMT -8
I would remove the mention of batteries in regards to the four frontal turbolasers. It is mentioned to just have the four, not four batteries. Also going through the armament list, I believe there needs to be an inclusion of missile launchers as it states to have baradium and concussions missiles as well as proton torpedos. So adding some multi purpose launchers may need to be added. Nicademus Delvardus IV, do you feel the refit you submitted also needs to account for these?
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Post by Renzo Ostrenis on Jan 14, 2020 1:46:52 GMT -8
Done. Included 20 multi-purpose launchers. More seemed overkill.
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Post by Luxeria on Jan 14, 2020 2:05:07 GMT -8
Sounds good. Approved
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Jan 15, 2020 18:11:51 GMT -8
Approved
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