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Post by Spectre on Dec 17, 2014 21:11:34 GMT -8
The way I see it is we have a rep to maintain. So we drop off the "goods" as we promised to the clients picking them up. We promised to deliver, we said nothing about not leaving their clients in peace. Plus, just freeing slaves with no guarantee of food or shelter would leave them off far worse then sending them to their owner/clients. As terrible as it might seem. This way when we do some real estate destruction, we put the owners and slaves at the same level. Make those "goods" price mark up 1000% xD Just a thought.
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Post by Jemima Sacharo on Dec 17, 2014 21:26:10 GMT -8
Perhaps, you should run that idea in character to the rest of the crew. You know, I think one of us should really invest in making a group communicator or something. So that even apart we can all stay in touch and even on level with what's going on everywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 1:22:02 GMT -8
gotta say, Spectre's idea does have some sense to it. I mean, after all, we do need to maintain our crew's reputation as a reliable smuggler of goods, and if we go letting slaves go mid job, it kind of looks bad, and means Juvex I/O will likely come after us for blood, so to speak... I'm sure we'll work this out IC... and Jemima, you're in charge of developing the group communicator device
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Post by Erly Ryzer on Dec 18, 2014 1:51:04 GMT -8
Actually, I can help with the communication device. I was CorSec Investigations before I joined up with you. Well, at least, my past included that. And, maybe I can help diffuse things between Fenrir and Silas before claws and Force Powers come out? If Spectre's okay with it, I could run his idea to Fenrir and Silas to help convince everyone to go along peacefully. Or Spectre can do it himself and run back to the ship. It's not like Krystal's going to be going anywhere real fast.
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Post by Galdaart Fel on Dec 18, 2014 5:17:36 GMT -8
I (Dan) agree that Spectre's idea holds a significant amount of merit. But Silas will never go for it. Slavery is in the book. If it's in the book, it is acted on and judged. There is really only black and white to him in these cases. He was always meant to be a confrontational, problematic character, because he sees only justice, not the moral or contractural obligations.
Slaves go or he'll likely walk.
But just think of what kind of plot twists will result if Atia has it out for us...
Dan
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Post by Galdaart Fel on Dec 18, 2014 5:19:45 GMT -8
Actually, the options aren't "slaves go or Preacher goes."
It's more like 'slaves go, Preacher stays' or 'Slaves go, and Preachr goes.'
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Post by Preacher on Dec 18, 2014 5:40:00 GMT -8
Damn. Keep meaning to log out from Fel and log in as Preacher... but it's hard to tell when I'm on my iPhone.
Sorry -- when I said that Spectre's idea had merit, I meant his original 'property destruction' idea. Not the delivery of slaves.
Think about where we are. Honoghr is about as middle-of-the-road as you can get, politically. Not like we're dropping them off on the Sith homeworld. And it wouldn't just be dropping them off, Silas has every intention of speaking to the authorities and setting up political refugee status for them. (and I was considering spinning the story to seem as if we had rescued the slaves, instead of transporting them willingly.)
Like Jemima said, float your ideas in character. However you see fit.
Worst case scenario, Preacher doesn't stay with the crew. Fenrir, if having a moral compass aboard is a bad idea, you need to consider that.
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Post by Preacher on Dec 18, 2014 5:42:11 GMT -8
As far as a group communicator -- I like it, but it certainly wouldn't have prevented this situation with the slaves. You know what would have prevented it? Not running slaves. Leave that for the Pirates.
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Post by Spectre on Dec 18, 2014 6:18:34 GMT -8
On an IC standpoint Spectre agrees with Preacher at some level. Mandalorians take people the same way, but we bolster our ranks with them and make them family after conquering them. Taking people and making them servants with no growth potential is wasteful. Those who indulge in hard power via economics are to be put to the test as far as Spectre's concerned. Since they indulge in what they consider power, then let's see it. xD
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 6:48:06 GMT -8
OOC-wise, I can see the merit in your points for freeing them, but IC-wise, well Fenrir has essentially laid out his points in my latest post. But essentially, he is going to have it called to a vote by the crew as a whole, since it will affect everyone.
Honestly, considering we are a smuggling crew, having a moral compass will probably come to be a problem, but to be honest, it's gunna make for some interesting interactions IC, take this current situation as an example...
I mean OOC and IC, my personal preference isnt exactly to make someone like Atia/Bateman our enemy, but I'll go with what ever happens...
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Post by Krystal "Meony" Tancredi on Dec 18, 2014 8:22:22 GMT -8
There is an alternative. Hi everyone. I'm Krystal, or Meony. Whichever you prefer to call me. Well, it's been a while, but I have an offer I'd like to make. I've just recently awakened from a year-plus-long coma (essentially me literally being away from JvS for that long) and I actually own a very big cruiser. Well, 200-meters in a round circle. I'd call that big. My ship's a modified Corona-class unarmed frigate. Yup, it's completely unarmed, but more heavily armored, shielded and faster than the regular ships of its type. The reason for it being unarmed is because I'm a pacifist. I'm against violence in any form, even self-defense. Which is why I'm pulling a total Supergirl stunt. My only defense for getting away with that is that I do not use my "powers" offensively, or even defensively, except maybe taking a shot on someone's behalf, and bolts don't bounce off me, they just hurt, a lot. Anyway, as to my alternative suggestion. Well, how about if we stage...a compromise? I think Spectre or one of you guys should bring this up, because coming from a pacifist, this won't make sense. I mean my character! Not me me, because like, I can think non-pacifist-like sometimes... So, the compromise. Silas wants to free the slaves? Well, that can be arranged. We can take them into my ship, and I can get them to someplace safe, or just leave them on Honoghr. There IS a Jedi stronghold nearby, and the RDMC I'm sure could employ them or something. But how to avoid Atia's wrath? well...the receiving people don't really know your full crew complement, right? And combining with Spectre's idea of making a big boom Michael Bay style, what if you drop off the slaves, only to have the other half of the crew pretending to be random rebel forces or some such burst in, shooting and all that, and grab the slaves right back and get out. So you guys get paid, and you get the slaves back out without being blamed for the attack and rescue. Or if Silas is adamant, the other idea, and an even more far-fetched one is to use very advanced HRDs with holographic displays in place of the slaves, and we perform more or less the same event, because you don't want the buyers to realize that the slaves aren't slaves at all. Or use holograms. It's all I can think of at the moment that will give you guys a pay day, and respect Silas' and my moral code at the same time.
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Post by Adrien Draykon on Dec 18, 2014 10:00:03 GMT -8
I vote to let them go. Worst case scenario is Atia puts a bounty on the Daklan crew because we lied about who we were down to the transponder codes. There might be a bounty out on Ric Daklan, and maaaaybe the crew of the Silver Hawk, which the latter is doubtful.
It will take a while to figure out that Daklan doesn't exist and then to figure out who we really are. By the time that happens the bounty will likely be on the back burner for just about any Bounty Hunter out there.
Except for one, Neassa, who has no personal connection to Adrien and as far as she knows he's a slaver. Might be something to think about for when I come back.
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Post by Preacher on Dec 18, 2014 15:44:28 GMT -8
OOC Note re. my last post: First line -- "Silas wished Fenrir would stop talking about things he doesn't understand."
To be clear, What I mean is "things Silas doesn't understand..." But because I was writing present-tense, third-person, the phrasing comes off a little oddly. Believe me, I'm not accusing Fenrir of shooting his mouth off about stuff he knows nothing about. Instead, Silas is frustrated with himself for not knowing most of the terms Fenrir is using.
In case it wasn't clear.
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Post by Spectre on Dec 18, 2014 16:59:45 GMT -8
Meony has some good ideas. Especially the double-cross switcheroo she's got in mind. That way we get paid AND we free some poor souls. xD I like the idea of having a larger ship as cover. Give the midnight Shadow a place to hide. I believe her ship has a cloaking device and can double as an observation post/escape plan. Even if it isn't offensive. Although the paint job might not be desirable as pink. xD It still would be good for us to have a fall back position.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 19:28:31 GMT -8
Connie would definitely know Ade would not be happy at all about transporting slaves, that being a line that pesky moral compass of his would not allow him to cross ;p All of the options discussed have great story potential, as does the situation itself since it gives everyone a chance to dig more into their characters and how they will play off the rest of the crew. I think hashing it out IC is a good option as well, as in we follow Fenrir's idea about him putting it to a vote by the whole crew. We all probably have an idea of where our character's stand, but seeing how they all will react to learning how their fellow crew members feel could be interesting.
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Post by Trent Weston on Dec 18, 2014 22:27:17 GMT -8
Alright so quick question, if I'm going to be flying with you guys (or flying you guys around--whichever way you want to look at it) when and where should I come in?
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Post by Krystal "Meony" Tancredi on Dec 18, 2014 22:27:41 GMT -8
Meony has some good ideas. Especially the double-cross switcheroo she's got in mind. That way we get paid AND we free some poor souls. xD I like the idea of having a larger ship as cover. Give the midnight Shadow a place to hide. I believe her ship has a cloaking device and can double as an observation post/escape plan. Even if it isn't offensive. Although the paint job might not be desirable as pink. xD It still would be good for us to have a fall back position. My ship's not pink! It's mostly bright yellow, with a dark golden brown center, like a sunflower. Why do you think my ship's named the Sunflower? Also, the Sunflower doesn't have a cloaking device, unless you installed something in there while I was comatose. But yes, other than that, my ship's big enough to carry the Midnight Shadow inside for refit/repair and to get away from heavy fire.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2014 22:56:53 GMT -8
OOC Note re. my last post: First line -- "Silas wished Fenrir would stop talking about things he doesn't understand." To be clear, What I mean is "things Silas doesn't understand..." But because I was writing present-tense, third-person, the phrasing comes off a little oddly. Believe me, I'm not accusing Fenrir of shooting his mouth off about stuff he knows nothing about. Instead, Silas is frustrated with himself for not knowing most of the terms Fenrir is using. In case it wasn't clear. hehe, it's cool man, managed to work out what you meant a couple sentences later, so any misunderstanding was quickly cleared up... Connie would definitely know Ade would not be happy at all about transporting slaves, that being a line that pesky moral compass of his would not allow him to cross ;p All of the options discussed have great story potential, as does the situation itself since it gives everyone a chance to dig more into their characters and how they will play off the rest of the crew. I think hashing it out IC is a good option as well, as in we follow Fenrir's idea about him putting it to a vote by the whole crew. We all probably have an idea of where our character's stand, but seeing how they all will react to learning how their fellow crew members feel could be interesting. This is exactly the reason why I suggested IC, we put it to a vote, since that way, Connie at least can chime in with how Adrien would actually feel about this situation. and Meony's ideas also have some merit, and at least merit some discussion IC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 0:38:38 GMT -8
Also, out of curiosity, what is Preacher basing his assumptions on the RDMC/Government of Honoghr being welcoming of refugee slaves IC? I assume it's just Silas going out on a limb more than anything, since even Fenrir is unsure of Honoghr's political state of affair, he just knows there is a med center there, beyond that, they could be the vilest lot of criminals out there as far as he knows... just curious...
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Post by Preacher on Dec 19, 2014 4:52:36 GMT -8
Yeah, since Silas knows nothing if the verse and the power-plays going on well, basically everywhere, he assumes that governments are for the most part, good. And based on the praise heaped on the RDMC by nearly everyone he has encountered here, he assumes this is as good a place as any.
Imagine his surprise when he discovers what the Empire is, or the Force.
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