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Post by Jedi Knight Mahir on Nov 17, 2014 16:24:24 GMT -8
JEDI Government Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 2 (Rawkill, Mahir)
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on Nov 18, 2014 7:02:07 GMT -8
JEDI Government Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 2 (Rawkill, Mahir) Emperor: 1 (TA)
Wait a second?! This isn't the empire boards.
JEDI Government Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 3 (Rawkill, Mahir, TA)
Emperor: 1 (TA)
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 18, 2014 17:15:41 GMT -8
Jedi Gov'nt Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 3 (Rawkill, Mahir, Admi)
Before voting, I have a question. As we've seen in the past, whenever anything comes up pertaining to the Jedi, there are suddenly Jedi characters crawling out of the internet, however, as we've seen over the past year, those newly created characters were written for a couple months, then vanished back into the world of the internet. Exactly what does it take to be a 'Jedi writer'? Regular rping? A Jedi character that has been written in the past and no longer exists actively on the boards--does that writer still qualify as a Jedi writer? I think you can see what I'm getting at. When decisions are made, how does one get all the Jedi writers to weigh in? Will there be deadlines? How is this going to work out pragmatically speaking?
For instance, will someone who has never written a Jedi character before, never intends to actively put the research and work into writing a Jedi character, but who creates one specifically to have a voice with the Jedi have as much say in the Order as someone who writes extensively as a Jedi, with a history of being active within the Order?
And before someone mentions it: No, I don't think the Order should be run by one or two people with everyone else being told to jump when they say Toad.
(Also, my roommate is moving out sooner than expected---Yay! But, that means I may lose internet for a few days without much notice while I'm in the process of trying to get my own internet set up. Thrilling.)
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Post by Talon Fenris on Nov 18, 2014 18:24:41 GMT -8
Jedi Gov'nt Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 3 (Rawkill, Mahir, Admi) Before voting, I have a question. As we've seen in the past, whenever anything comes up pertaining to the Jedi, there are suddenly Jedi characters crawling out of the internet, however, as we've seen over the past year, those newly created characters were written for a couple months, then vanished back into the world of the internet. Exactly what does it take to be a 'Jedi writer'? Regular rping? A Jedi character that has been written in the past and no longer exists actively on the boards--does that writer still qualify as a Jedi writer? I think you can see what I'm getting at. When decisions are made, how does one get all the Jedi writers to weigh in? Will there be deadlines? How is this going to work out pragmatically speaking? For instance, will someone who has never written a Jedi character before, never intends to actively put the research and work into writing a Jedi character, but who creates one specifically to have a voice with the Jedi have as much say in the Order as someone who writes extensively as a Jedi, with a history of being active within the Order? And before someone mentions it: No, I don't think the Order should be run by one or two people with everyone else being told to jump when they say Toad. (Also, my roommate is moving out sooner than expected---Yay! But, that means I may lose internet for a few days without much notice while I'm in the process of trying to get my own internet set up. Thrilling. Placing a generous amount of bacon into the subject,and nomming on some, he speaks thus: I would say that as long as the Jedi in question has had a good amount of rp in the past and is still active then they should qualify appropriately, but as Jaded One said, those that have a Jedi char just to have a voice with no background and such should be listened to with a garnish of salt. He thinks this made sense when he was thinking it, and noms on some more bacon before saying As to the deadlines, May I suggest something along the lines of: Action proposed, then open to vote or thoughts from everyone(including those outside the Order for fairness) for between 1-2 weeks(in case some have time issues) and then hold an internal vote to get the outcome.Has an extra slice of bacon before grabbing a hammock to erect(Te he, Erect!) somewhere nearby to just fall out of it constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 19:54:31 GMT -8
As Chris has mentioned, a Jedi Writer would be someone who consistently writer's a Jedi Character (whether they be a Padawan, Knight, or Master). If the character no longer exists or is not actively written, then they don't vote. As with most democratic systems, there will be checks to see if someone has created the character purely to have a vote in the Jedi Order, and quite frankly you'd have to be a pretty low type of person that needs to reconsider their life choices if you created a Jedi char solely to try and sway the decisions of a group of people who write Jedi char's as a hobby. Honestly, even if someone did create a Jedi char for the purpose of pushing an Imperial or Republic, or Any other faction, type of agenda, then it's up to each of us to take their views with a pinch of salt and make our own decisions. Sure, giving every Jedi Writer a vote means we run into the possibility that someone with an Imp or Republic main will still try push their main char's agenda through the Jedi, but I think, as writer's and people, we can easily see when something shady is going on and head it off. If we keep treating one another like some of the shady bastards that our characters are, and we start going "well we are true Jedi writer's, and you are just Jedi alt filth" we become the same elitist bullshit group that we are meant to be replacing. I'll admit some writer's can be as shady or shadier then the character's they write, but honestly, when dealing with someone like that, you gotta take a step back and go "holy shit bro, this is just a hobby writing site, not something you need to try and game and be the bestest ruler of everything in. Take a reality check mate". Time line wise, Chris is right on the ball, set a 1-2 week limit for ideas, then vote on the thing over another 1-2 weeks. We essentially have a 1 month turn around time for decision making, which could end up being shorter, pending how discussions go or how active people are.
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Post by Kel'Al Raganella on Nov 18, 2014 22:08:42 GMT -8
Brain dump incoming, be forewarned....
It really depends, for one, on how quickly we need to make a decision. For important/urgent matters, we should be able to act, and to trust our most active members to make the right initial decision, even if it has to be amended later. For example, responding to an invasion of a spontaneous nature.
For other matters, if you don't weigh in during some realistic period of time, then that's your fault, and no one else's. In other words, we can't wait for everyone to vote. I don't know if you can put a number on it that's a rule for every situation, but posting statements like "if no one objects in 3 days, I will make contact with Darth Schmuck" can help set expectations and deadlines.
And you should be established IC as an active Jedi character before you expect us to wait for your vote. If you're new and you happen to be present when the vote is taken, by all means weigh in.
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 19, 2014 15:25:49 GMT -8
Ok. That takes care of most of my objections. Rawkill, just one tiny thing---I feel like when it comes to giving writers the benefit of the doubt when writing new characters, etc, I'm the one who tries to involve people with a formerly darker reputation. >.< Regardless of how I feel about someone OOC, when they are writing a Jedi character as a reasonably plausible Jedi character, I try to put OOC aside and deal with them solely as a Jedi IC. I wish some of the Jedi would work with me on this... (Also, I've lost internet at home, for those of you not reading the Corellian OOC thread. I'm using the local library when I can in order to keep up with things, but hopefully I should have the situation sorted within a few days.)
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 25, 2014 18:18:47 GMT -8
On the RP side of things: Padawan Alexis Karidian is actually undergoing her Knighting Ceremony on Yavin IV in the Grand Audience Chamber (I just discovered they had one. o.o) and if any Jedi would like to show up, participate a bit, watch, eat popcorn, chat with other Jedi in a plotline that is sort of outside an established timeline and happening as we can post: then feel free to drop by and work it into your character's plotlines however you'd like.
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Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase
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Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 26, 2014 8:44:24 GMT -8
Jedi and fellow rpers...
I've been wanting to get back in the swing of things with Jud, and was hoping that maybe you'd like my idea.
I know it's a sore spot but the mando holy war had an interesting storyline on Ossus o was involved with; in which I gathered as much artifacts as possible from the praxium before the invasion. .. As we all know nothing finished, but I liked the concept so much that I had a thought on how to "finish" it.
Basically somehow, someway, the jedi (shadows, sentinels... some covert sect) have incarcerated Jud for questioning and retrieval of the orders lost history. I'd like to have the high council or just the higher ranking members of the order somehow find out that the Sith Lord has been in a holding cell, without their express knowledge.
Anyway, I think I'd make for an interesting RP for dialog and all around rp for myself and the Jedi that would want to rp a storyline that is off the cuff, and should be fun to elaborate on - with the rough outline I've given. I want this to flow naturally, and not planning everything, or explaining the a, b, and c ' s I think will allow for a lot of delving into motives of the order and Jud.
Thoughts? Takers? Poo poos?
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Post by Miras on Nov 27, 2014 15:56:22 GMT -8
Miras isn't high ranking within the Order, but as a Shadow he might have been involved in Jud's imprisonment or at least the mission to retrieve the praxium's artifacts. I'd be happy to participate in this SL.
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 27, 2014 17:47:44 GMT -8
Perhaps we'll cross paths somewhere. Good to see you coming back, Jud.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 19:42:27 GMT -8
Happy Thanksgiving my brothers and sisters
*puts out a spread of thanksgiving food that will not spoil but always be perfect for the person who stops to have a bite to eat*
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 27, 2014 20:21:36 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 20:51:13 GMT -8
Congratulations Aerandir Calmcacil ... i cannot wait until she understands enough to be in chat and join her older sister in goofing around way paste her bedtime
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Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase
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Post by Lord Jud'dayus: The Debase on Nov 30, 2014 11:55:02 GMT -8
Jedi and fellow rpers... I've been wanting to get back in the swing of things with Jud, and was hoping that maybe you'd like my idea. I know it's a sore spot but the mando holy war had an interesting storyline on Ossus o was involved with; in which I gathered as much artifacts as possible from the praxium before the invasion. .. As we all know nothing finished, but I liked the concept so much that I had a thought on how to "finish" it. Basically somehow, someway, the jedi (shadows, sentinels... some covert sect) have incarcerated Jud for questioning and retrieval of the orders lost history. I'd like to have the high council or just the higher ranking members of the order somehow find out that the Sith Lord has been in a holding cell, without their express knowledge. Anyway, I think I'd make for an interesting RP for dialog and all around rp for myself and the Jedi that would want to rp a storyline that is off the cuff, and should be fun to elaborate on - with the rough outline I've given. I want this to flow naturally, and not planning everything, or explaining the a, b, and c ' s I think will allow for a lot of delving into motives of the order and Jud. Thoughts? Takers? Poo poos? BUMPING...
Miras isn't high ranking within the Order, but as a Shadow he might have been involved in Jud's imprisonment or at least the mission to retrieve the praxium's artifacts. I'd be happy to participate in this SL. Thanks for the response, Miras. And I'd gladly have you be part of the strike team that took Jud in. Though I want to make it clear that we're starting this SL off literally with Jud in a cell. The back story and future of the SL is up to the partisipants. I'm not going to make any strict guidlines, just a rough outline of events. So, if you like more natural, flowing RP, then stay on board. As part of the team or sect or indeviduals that basically did this cloak and dagger mission; you'll be underfire - that's if I have enough people join. I'll be bringing in a character I made last year, yet never used for this SL: to help the shadows/sentinels in their end of the story.
Perhaps we'll cross paths somewhere. Good to see you coming back, Jud. I hope we do, but I need more Jedi to be interested. I have Xeo's interest with the Knights... and I hadn't of thought to include the Empire, Sith or Republic. I was extending this SL to you guys, because I thought i'd take you guys out of the Republic - banging your heads against the wall thing - and it might spark a lot of seperate SL's in corellation with this idea. You know, then: Why was this not brought up to the council? Who ordered the warrent? Who made the arrest? Why has Jud been locked away for X amount of time before this situation coming to light? Does the Republic still hold sway over the Jedi? Does the Empire hold sway over the Jedi? DO the Sith want Jud incarcerated?
I mean seriously... There is so much to be had from this one SL... And you guys can take it where ever you'd like; I'm just laying the ground work. The Cold War idea was a great one, but too big. The site is still only a few pockets of RP... but this small storyline and arch might help jumpstart the dead SL's of the cold war into the tense bordered, espionage ridden galaxy Sin imagined.
Anyways... long story short; if I don;t get many more people on board here I'll take it to the OOC threads on my own, and stop cluttering yours.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 15:20:44 GMT -8
on another note, voting for how the Jedi leadership stands thusly:
Jedi Gov'nt Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 3 (Rawkill, Mahir, Admi)
Jedi Writer's, please be sure to vote and weigh in.
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Post by Aerandir Calmcacil on Nov 30, 2014 17:50:54 GMT -8
Jedi Government Oligarchy: 0 Democracy: 4 (Rawkill, Mahir, Admi, Aerandir)
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Ael Jade
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Post by Ael Jade on Nov 30, 2014 18:13:44 GMT -8
Jud, I would love to be involved. But I have no internet at home right now because I'm still trying to get that sorted. Being at work before business hours begin and staying until after business hours have ended is really inconveniencing me in terms of getting internet set up. With that said, as soon as I have reliable internet again, I'll be around to participate in your SL. With regard to the voting, I honestly prefer to Abstain at this point. I'm not wholeheartedly in favor of democracy, but neither am I in favor of a strict oligarchy. So, I'd choose none of the above. With that said, I'll assist with the Jedi Order as much as I feel that I can regardless of the final decision.
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Post by Jedi Knight Mahir on Nov 30, 2014 19:21:49 GMT -8
@ Jud: I lack rank and good standing within the order, so I'll have to watch this happen OOC. Glad to see you back on the boards though Jud.
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Post by Mike Frantz on Nov 30, 2014 21:22:04 GMT -8
As I no longer technically have a jedi to write I will abstain from voting but I would like to point out that in the future of the Democratic Jedi OOC Collective (trademark) it might be a good idea to keep two threads, one for discussions and such and a separate one for just casting votes just so things don't get lost and all that fun stuff. Just a friendly thought from your neighborhood alcoholic holocron.
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