The Galactic Empire

Where exactly does one go to prostrate themselves before the Emperor, anyway?

And, posted. Looks like I've got a lot of catching up to do.

Fel here, Player's Guild Council.

I'm going to try to be open-minded about this. Khar -- I can potentially see that Zahn wrote hits on those beings b/c in the grand scheme of things, he likely sees them as mere pawns, insignificant to your defense. I think in Zahn's head, he pictured your defense coming from a larger force, not one or two embattled guardsmen.

But that does not excuse the called hits.

Zahn, there are clear rules and natural laws governing GM'ing, and Khar has you dead to rights on this point. You as a player, cannot dictate when and wherre Seleevan chooses to make his defense. For all you know, Khar can assume control of any one of the guards and soldiers in those facilities at any moment, and you have to allow him the chance to defend, if he so chooses. The charge of GM'ing stands, IMO. These points must be edited or voided, and if you so choose, you can end your post with the intended attack on the guards, to allow Khar the chance to reply, and then continue from there.

Further, Khar, I can see holes in your 'Crates' argument. Specifically, the tracking of crates from a SD in orbit. Sure, the argument could be made that the scanners exist to do so, but Zahn's point that pinpoint tracking of 75 measley crates on a sprawling city-scape with trillions of life-forms, a planetoid covered in layer upon layer of tech is valid. Certainly the very density of tech on Coruscant would add a level of interference to trying to track packages that tiny. I think the 'Crates' argument, however contentious, is suspect.

Lastly, the Metagaming. Again Zahn, you're treading on thin ice here, and it seems to me that some of your reply post was anger-fueled. Never a good idea. Take some time, compose a good edit, and fix this. Khar has got it right on two of three counts. Rein it in please and compose yourselves.

This can still have the makings of a good battle. But as in all battles, chances are one side is going to fail. Zahn, please play respectfully, acknowledge your rival's posts, and go WITH it. Khar has given you the opportunity to edit or void. I suggest you take the opportunity, and roll with the punches.

-Fel

At this point, I can't tell if this is purposeful or accidental anymore...

Let's start with the Guards, and this supposed GMing. Where to start with this... I mean, the shots are essentially undodgeable, unless Republic Grunts (cannon fodder even), can dodge bullets? You're also nitpicking a point that, in the past from what I have seen, has always gone unhindered, no one ever causing a fuss about calling a hit such as this. But you want to draw this out even more? want to write the inevitable and force this to drag out for even longer, just so you can say your three guards were shot?
Also, I assume you'll have a talk to Xeo as well when you read the Plaza right? since he also called a hit on a senate guard...

Now onto this supposed retroactive changing of posts, I'm not entirely sure of what you mean specifically, but with regards to the transports, I refer you to this part, which was always, and has always been there:

I never added it in, I just clarified it more in my following post, to ensure the detail was not skipped over, which apparently it was.

As for the sensor Mask, never once have I stated they would show up as empty space. not a single time, when I have mentioned that the weapons are sensor masked, have I said they would show up as empty space. What I have pointed out, time and time and time again, which you seem to be almost purposefully ignoring at this point, is the fact that the sensor masks would create no empty space in the crates where the weapons are, essentially it would be filled by the sensor readings of the items around the sensor mask. NO empty space what so ever. Just a very full crate with various items in it. Now, just to make it clear, I said NO empty space, not that there is empty space where the sensor masks are, but that there is not empty space where the masks are, but a space that is filled.
Honestly, if Wookieepedia listed the other brands and types of sensor masks that were available, I would hunt a specific article down of a specific sensor mask system. But the best I can do is provide hard evidence of their functioning from the Sensor Mask and Vanish 2 military sensor masking system articles, with the Vanish explicitly stating: "The Vanish 2 worked like most sensor masks - when activated, the device monitored the sensor conditions around the ship (Radiation, comm signals, visible light, sensor pings, etc.) and then re-emitted these signals instantly on the other side of the ship", thus meaning that other sensor masks worked the same way, elsewise the words "worked like most sensor masks" would not be used, if there were no other sensor masking systems that operated the same way.
Seriously, this is getting to the point of sheer madness just how often I have to repeat myself over something you keep repeatedly missing because it doesn't fit into your little plan for how you intend to gain victory.

As for how they knew they were being tracked, aside from the fact that it's not everyday you see LAAT gunships in civilian airspace, especially on some of the routes they were going for The Works, the groups weren't all travelling in tight formations, they were in local taxi's and airspeeders, and they are Commando grade troops. They are going to be on the look out for anything suspicious that isn't them being suspicious, which is aided by the built in binoculars in their helmets.
As for where they were planting bombs, it was on the streets, in buildings that were abandoned. As for the layout of the Republic Military Bases, and maybe I'm the only one who thinks this, but the Military is based on structure, and thus builds they build their bases in a fairly structured format, in a pretty much similar structured way. The buildings would all be fairly easy to recognise whether you are an imperial or republic soldier, you'd go "well that building is that large, so it's a pretty good bet it is housing this type of thing". I mean, in an emergency situation, if you are housed in a base, you'd want to be able to look around and go "right, that is that building" and know what it is by sight, without having to think about it.
If you are wondering about other targets, you can google maps just about any city on Earth with current technology, so using the star wars equivilent of the Internet would yield the same stuff. And since the Works, Senate District and Republica aren't meant to be precision targets, military intel wasn't exactly needed for recon, just "in and around these places will do, it'll cause a distraction".

Which brings us to the number of troops point. Which leads back to one of my earlier issues, which is that you guys have glazed over parts of my posts. For example, starting with my post in orbit:

Right, there is the first mention of how many troops that I had, on a Coruscant Orbit thread.
Let's move on to the Republic City thread itself:

Mentions of Five Battalions are made in this post, ergo, 1500 would be divided by 5 (hence 1500 / 5 = 300 per battalion), and that is without reading my profile, just going off simple logic within the posts. The fact you purport yourself as such an amazing fleet battle writer, and yet don't read profiles (which honestly, some people put a lot of work into, so it is quite depressing that you would ignore such amazing work), seem to fail to understand the workings of a Sensor Masking system (especially the fact a military sensor mask fools military scanning equipment, and would in no universe or reality what so ever be trumped by a civilian scanner), and that you missed several mentions of details pertaining to my troops and their movements, is simply mind boggling.
Also, need I reiterate that my guys were wearing the armour, just like thousands, if not trillions, of BOUNTY HUNTERS, MERCENARIES, and MANDALORIANS, all of whom populate the Star Wars galaxy in fairly significant numbers, and would get through customs just about anywhere with ease. Not to mention there is entire cities worths of people arriving, so even if they were wearing the same armour, there is thousands of people passing through, and there is no assurance none of them were also wearing the same armour or that they had larger stashes of weapons they were trying to get through at the same time...



Galdaart, I am sorry, but we are reading the same stuff right? I have 'played' respectfully, hell I approached Sel about certain issues I had via PM first. I have acknowledged my rival's posts, I mean I literally rolled with the idea that civilian tech trumps military tech, I acknowledged his people in the Republica, in the Works, in the Senate District, at the Compounds, and in the Senate Plaza. I have gone with every argument he has tried to make about details in my posts that he has glazed over, and done my damned best to educate on and point out what was missed. So, please tell me more about how I've not rolled with the punches? I'm sorry if it sounds sarcastic, but at this point, I am literally banging my head against a wall here, constantly explaining the same points over and over and over and over again.



This, is quite honestly insulting. I mean, holy shit, I tried to reason, nicely, with you about certain issues we have had via PM, hell I've constantly gone out of my way to find actual evidence to back up my points (still waiting on evidence of radiation markers being used in star wars for tracking, or where a civilian scanner can trump military technology), I've even attempted to find someone to take over the Republic side of things (during which, I can honestly say, you were less than nice about things), hell you say you want to get this over with because you want to get the charity ball going, then proceed to nitpick over a couple NPC guards and draw things out.
You say you're happy to roll with things, and then some compulsion you seem to have to constantly want to win everything and not lose at all on anything, kicks in and we end up back here, doing the exact same shit. You say one thing, then do another, and honestly it is maddening just watching the same thing happen over and over again. Seriously, don't want to write the Republic defence that badly? then just come out and say so, I'm sick of coming in here and reading another post in which you blantly ignore details in my post and complain about them because you haven't read things properly, then try claim I'm rude because I go out of my way to explain things.
I don't come on here, to constantly sit in the OOC threads, instead of writing IC, whilst a councilor and someone I have done my damned best to write against and help them understand my posts, both call me rude, disrespectful, and unacknowledging, and constantly tell me to roll with the defender's punches (some of which I already have rolled with), whilst essentially telling me my moves are all worth shit because I am an attacker (regardless of the research I have done to prove otherwise).

I do agree, in retrospect, I did overreact some points.
Also agree, that there was basically no pre-planning, not even a little besides " I am going to attack"
Yes, there were talks, and I remember having the idea of a small scale strike that zahn would do, not an invasion on both land and space.
If Zahn would have told me what kind of scenario he wants to try out, I am sure I would have agreed, if I thought it sounded fun. Most likely would have sounded fun.

He didnt. So I handled this as any other suprise attack (IC and OOC), thus wanted to stop him in every IC way possible, because, by IC agreement with the republic, that is Khars job at the moment (for miriad of political reasons). He is a warlord (and a sith) and his job is to be competent, I try to write him so. What it lead to was an OOC shitstorm caused by both me and zahn.

plus, yes. I got carried away and pissed off by the above metnioned (by Fel) freedoms taken with republics readyness and its security. I think that is why I took the customs and all that so seriously. Plus.... that also gave Zahn an advantage (weaponised soldiers behind enemy lines), one that the customs are supposed to stop.

Anyways, Thanks for the helping out Fel, and Zahn, I dont dislike you, as a writer, person. I am sorry I insulted you. When you stated you wanted to attack coruscant, I only was against the idea because 1 I laid a fuckload of work into the cold war, and that attack would make it into a kinda hot war, 2 is politically and militarily a stupid move.
But, I am open for a battle. Love that stuff.
Plus, gives me a reason to write Sel.

So, any idea on how to continue?

if you want to get into something being politically stupid, mayhaps you should have talked to Crom'nen before or when he announced, IC, the Republic's slight of hand involvement with the Mando attack on Kuat during a publicly broadcast Senate session that the Empire was undoubtedly going to see....

militarily, it is a stupid move, hence why it's only Zahn, his men, and a handful of Imperial Knights dropping in, and not an entire Imperial Armada, that would most definitely have put an end to the Cold War...

As I have stated a number of times before, I will admit I may have gotten a little ahead of myself, and there has been very little planning OOC, mostly because part of the idea was that it was a surprise. Sometimes when things are planned, you end up with that one person that will act uncharacteristically IC and stop something that would otherwise have gone through normally.
Essentially, I'm setting things to have a fairly 'considerable' distraction fight in which emergency services are scrambling to qwell the fires caused by the explosives that have been set off, whilst the fleet in orbit is busy concentrating on the in coming fleet, the military bases are mustering together counter attacks, several of my guys are busy trying to get up to the cannons on the stenax moons to turn them against the other defences. Meanwhile, Zahn and co are trying to make use of this distraction to break through into the Senate building itself to massacre three people. With the back up being to drop the fleet on the senate building.
Essentially they're probably all going to die, cause 1500 Commando's, up against almost 15 million men of varying degree's of rank, is not going to end well for the smaller group. The plan was never to take Coruscant or have a existing force behind enemy lines. It was to break shit, and remind people of the wars part of star wars, and also back up the idea that there is consequences for IC actions. My suggestion? let's move past the gate guards and just start shooting the shit out of each others forces. At the rate things are going, none of the three char's Zahn is after will even be writing when he gets inside the building, so might as well have a pretty big battle anyway as a consolation prize....

sorry for the wait, was on holiday, will get back to normal working order soonish.

Sorry but I have been rather too busy to really come on. It probably won't be for another couple weeks at best since this is my last week of class and next week are exams. I would come on if it weren't for Japanese class shoving assignment after assignment down my throat *sigh* thankfully christmas break is soon so my activity may go up abit this next weekend if all goes well.

Cheers,
Valstrol

When my exams are done at the end of this week, I can send like an Imperial Inspector over to check things out at Kamino.