Please, Balance the Jedi Order, before it's too late...

Er, you called this a bash thread as opposed to discussing it in a civilized manner.

That's not exactly constructive.

Banned.

No, this is a bash thread.

You clearly don't know what is.

You're being defensive and calling names.

Both of these fall somewhere outside the realm of constructive.

For further reference:

This is a screaming horde.

Everyone else was having a discussion.

At any rate, I'm done here. This thread has been hijacked by trolling enough for one day.

Can we all just calm down and think about this? And for the record, I never said I didn't feel welcomed, but I addressed the fact that I had a major event for my character and another writer happen infront at least three Jedi that failed to witness something in front of their very eyes. I tried to get trained by a Jedi on a planet I can't recall but everything halted without explanation or reason.

Look, we all have times where we don't want to post with an unfamiliar face, or fear that inviting another will bring chaos within your group..... hell sometimes you don't want to post with someone because you despise a minor part of them or their character.

On this site, or any roleplaying site, there should be a level of respect and understanding of each other. I dont care if another group has the same issues, I dont care if you arent a part of this or have a different perspective. You need to respect the fact that this is being discussex, because it is seen as a problem by one writer who decided to be brave enough to voice their opinion. And when one person speaks aloud, others follow, whether good or bad. This is not a bash thread. This is not a 'lets hate the Jedi' thread. This is to discuss a problem that many have observed and witnessed. Whether you are with it or against it, this has obviously become an important topic that needs to be discussed. It is our duty as writers on this site to make every new person welcome. It has become apparant that some or most of the Jedi members are against inviting others, and this is a problem. If we are wrong then prove us wrong. Otherwise sit back and shut the kriff up. I may be naive and a teenager, but I know when someone is wrong, and when someone is right.

(p.s) I began writing this after Lita's latest comment.

*shakes head* It's too late. I'm being told at this very moment by the Yavin group to leave this thread alone. I have a thousand and one things to say, and more ways to offer to help find solutions, but how can I find solutions when you're more eager to tell me how wrong I am and what your impressions are than giving specific examples of how the Yavin group has made problems for you?

I really wanted to help. I can't help you.

I have to say that I have seen some of this as well; This is not to say, however, that I think anyone is a bad writer by any means. When I wrote Alexos Mantera on Yavin back on 1.5 the characters I interacted with were wonderfully interesting, their dynamics/interactions compelling, and the overall plot great; I genuinely enjoyed the character and those who I interacted with. However, I did also see instances of slow, stagnated RP that took a lot of the fun out of the characters or plot, such as when a plot which was supposed to be a quick training run in flight sims stalled out for several months and was never finished despite the fact that I suspect that ranks within the squadron were to be awarded based on the results. This made advancing and growing Alexos' character difficult, which in turn was frustrating.

Please understand Lita that we are by no means trying to personally attack any of the Yavin writers or to imply that they are inferior writers or not welcomed; we are merely attempting to provide constructive criticism in order to try and help improve the site as a whole. I've written with Dav, Zuli, Jago, and several others of the Yavin Praxeum, and would love to write with them more, but at the same time I cannot ignore the pitfalls which I have encountered in the past. In my belief, part of what Ael and others who have expressed similar thoughts are trying to do is to help make the Jedi more accessible RP-wise to those who are not already a part of that RP circle. With the reduced population on 2.0, the Jedi have come to be heavily represented, either in fact or in appearance, by the Yavin Praxeum. I think that what Ael was trying to suggest is to de/re-centralize the overall Jedi Order so that it is not difficult to write with Jedi without having to write with any single subgroup of the order specifically (Whether that subgroup is the Yavin Praxeum, Corellia, Felucia, or any other.). That way, for example, Yavin can focus on its tight-knit writing group, excellent continuing storylines, and compelling character development without inadvertently limiting the RP options for those who might want to RP with Jedi but not within Yavin's more closed storyline.

Perhaps one thing which might help, and let me be clear that I am only brainstorming and am in no way saying that this is the absolutely correct decision, would be to create a centralized location for the Order to operate within as a whole. We have various academies and praxeums across the galaxy, on Yavin, Corellia, Carida, Felucia, and Ossus for example, and while it is established in site canon (As far as I can tell) that they are a part of a single order it never feels like that. Perhaps there could exist a location, say on Coruscant just to pick a world, that could serve as a central location for the order as a whole. There, a "High Council" could convene, by hologram transmission if necessary/more convenient, and speak for the order as a whole, thus creating a central location for new or aspiring Jedi/Jedi writers to go to interact with the overall order. From there they could then get a taste of what the various sub-academies/praxeums have to offer and then write at the one which they feel is right for them, or even remain at the central temple on Coruscant if they so wish. Such a network of interactivity would make the Jedi Order feel much more cohesive, and would also make interaction between groups easier if that is what writers desire. I guarantee, for example, that word would spread through the order pretty quickly if the High Council representative from say...Carida suddenly lost connection in the middle of a meeting and could not be recontacted. This would also make it much easier for those who are not Jedi to interact with the Order. The Galactic Alliance/Republic/ect could send representatives to the temple if they need to speak to the Jedi, or a refuge fleeing a Mando'ade or Sith attack on an isolated world could approach the High Council seeking aid or assistance in dealing with the threat. Again, this is all just brainstorming, but I do feel as if centralizing the Order at a location which isn't one of the sub-groups/academies would help to make the Jedi as a whole more easily accessible.

On the phone, you'll excuse the brevity following.

haven't read this thread in and out. But as part of the problem, I don't mind being a part of the solution.

call a vote, clean house.

but the problems as I see it are few and fundamental. Aside from IRL issues, which we all have, sooo many SLs/RPs fall on a few, too much relies on so little.

looking at myself. I am a pivotal writer in 8 storylines and and absolutely crucial to the leadership of the Jedi Council and the Republic Chancellor, and now as a leading Mando on one of the fronts for the war.

I am impossibly bogged down.

and also, procedures and details, are sinking the ships. For better or for worse. It used to be the policy of 48 hour wait time then you get bulldozed (unless you left notice). Bring that back.


alright, i will see you guys in another 5 years when i bother to post. ;-)

You people are so petty... and tiny.