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Post by The 401st Division on May 20, 2014 9:27:07 GMT -8
In all honesty, I've never heard of Deep Battle lol. I'll have to spend a little time reading on that one.
No, I was more along the lines of classical total war- not just destruction of military installations, but also of civilian infrastructure that could be used by the enemy when there is any sign of local sympathy toward their opposition.
But more to the point, where do we want this proxy shindig to go down, exactly?
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Post by The Major on May 20, 2014 9:36:27 GMT -8
Wait, you say you you're modeling on the Soviet army of the Great Patriotic War and you don't know the military doctrine of Deep Battle?!
Read up on it.
It's how the Russians saved the world from Mechahitler. Very important.
As far as the locations of unrest, Nic posted a few things earlier detailing how it should go.
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Post by The 401st Division on May 20, 2014 10:06:08 GMT -8
MechaHitler? Wasn't that during Operation Kraut Control?
I did see the post, thank you. But I don't want to drop an entire corps onto someone else's RP without their consent and Ander's agreement, that's all.
So we have Aargau, Foerost, Khomm, Aargha and Ojom to potentially choose from for this brushfire conflict...
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 20, 2014 10:11:16 GMT -8
The sort of insurgency I'm thinking of is more detailed than simply hearts and minds. GALSAF's focus will be more on training locals and providing weapons, equipment, medical supplies and services, etc. What we USUALLY do, only in a more tense political/military climate. Our intervention won't even begin until we see either side in the Deep Core initiate hostilities of their own. For now, we'll be observing, gathering intelligence.
When our insurgent operations DO kick off, our focus will be protecting/defending civilian populations, providing for and assisting resistance groups that turn up, or helping form them to begin with. Essentially, unless ONE side of these conflicts shows themselves to be good guys, we'll be helping local populations fight them BOTH, in our own secret way. The sort of way airstrikes and airborne infantry have a hard time dealing with.
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 20, 2014 10:22:08 GMT -8
Ander: My mistake! In this case, I'll be happy to write alongside you and any assistance you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Though I still have a little tweaking I need to do on this account in terms of ships, men and such. Also, just an FYI, the 401st isn't going to land and be all "Hearts and minds. "They're modeled off of the old Soviet army or Sherman's Army, so wherever they go... it won't be pretty. That's cool, I didn't provide a lot of detail to begin with, my bad. lol I was thinking that the 401st Division's typical methods of conduct might cause some open contention between GALSAF's commandos and their own soldiers. Sort of a "love-hate" relationship, you could say. We could get some good writing going between our groups, trying to work together, but at odds over HOW to run things. That could even lead to a fun skirmish or two. GALSAF's wanting to improve relations with the Republic and the Jedi Order, so we'd be forced to deal with a certain amount of "bad behavior" but I think we could get some good stuff out of the situation.
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Post by The 401st Division on May 20, 2014 10:47:46 GMT -8
I was just going to say, my scorched earth and your hearts and minds might create more than a little tension between our forces (and a few bodies amongst the locals). Which I would thoroughly enjoy writing!
I'm currently at work, so can't exactly run off to Wookiepedia, but I'm open to dropping on any of those worlds listed and providing a base of supplies/reinforcements for GALSAF.
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Post by The Major on May 20, 2014 10:56:29 GMT -8
Hm. So then GALSAF is playing the role of Republic sympathizer? So are they going to be reporting any gathered evidence to the Senate and the Jedi, because that would be very good. Â
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 20, 2014 14:26:11 GMT -8
Sounds good, 401st!
Major: Not at first. Neutrality is the goal, focusing solely on providing what we can for the civilian populations directly. GALSAF's neutrality only ends under certain conditions, 1) Other factions involved have turned a hostile eye on GALSAF, or 2) One or more factions involved turns a hostile eye on civilian populaces. That keeps us out of the main firing line as long as possible, giving us the chance to do what we can. Once neutrality ends, we're forced to either extract ourselves completely from the situation, or commit to providing one side support over the other.
The latter is where I'm seeing this going. As Imperial/Republic tensions rise and the factions start taking their anger out on one another, (toss in Tharkad's boys as well) then GALSAF will have to shift from neutral supporter of the people to ardent supporter of which ever side we see as less bad. (Or "more good" if you're an optimistic type) We only stay as long as there's a way for us to help the civilian populations. For example, we're not going to keep fighting an enemy that's long since crushed/killed off all it's subjects. Then there's no one to fight FOR, so why waste the time.
I see us supporting the Republic over the Empire when it DOES come down to it, but then again, that's up to the writers on those respective sides. To clarify, imagine the greater Empire is taking measures across the Galaxy against civilian populations that GALSAF does -not- support, but we have no way of touching them. But let's say there's a battalion of Imperials operating somewhere in the Galaxy and they are NOT practicing those same evil measures as the rest of the Empire, and we DO have access to them. Instead of attacking them or trying to subvert their efforts, GALSAF might actually -assist- that particular group of Imperials, as long as what they're doing helps the people who live within their sphere of influence.
So things are never black and white. We could actually decide to help the Imperials over the Republic if the 401st Division turns out to act as poorly as their reputation suggests.
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Post by The Major on May 20, 2014 15:14:53 GMT -8
In this iteration of the Empire, things are even less easy to define. As far as I know, policy prohibits things like attacking unarmed civilians, or even xenophobia.
The interesting part comes when extremists on both sides act out without guidance of the officials.
The goal in my mind would be to make this so confusing as to what's good and bad that it even causes headaches in real life.
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 20, 2014 16:08:49 GMT -8
I'm in love with that idea, Major. Having to constantly reconsider your allies and enemies is exactly what the Cold War is best for!
That's also one reason we won't be allying directly with any particular side. A friend to the people one day may be a foe to them the next. So our assessments are constantly turning over. The moment a government/organization/etc turns away from their efforts to help their people, they turn into our enemies. I like where this can go. I know that this may cause entire governments to view us a particular way, and we shouldn't expect the same attention to detail when it comes to determining if GALSAF is an ally or an enemy, but that's what's exciting about it. For instance, if GALSAF decides we like the 401st, and work alongside them, the Republic government likely won't look favorably on us turning against them when the 401st shows their true colors, so to speak. Likewise for the Empire, to whom we are more an enemy at the moment than anything, our commencing support of them may help change that viewpoint.
I do like the ideas behind the new Empire, less severe and more practical than the old Imperials.
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 20, 2014 16:13:24 GMT -8
Major: "The interesting part comes when extremists on both sides act out without guidance of the officials."
Exactly. That makes it so much harder for leaders to decide who they ought to support and work alongside, which adds a great element to the writing. How do we judge these people and take action for or against them if we can't interact directly with their leaders? If I have no way to reach the Republic government, I have to make a judgement call in the moment as to how to handle the 401st and its boots-on-the-groud leadership.
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Post by The 401st Division on May 21, 2014 3:51:23 GMT -8
Oh, I'm positively shaking with excitement now!
Ander, is there anyplace IC that GALSAF would like to make contact with the 401st/Republic to get this snowball rolling?
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on May 21, 2014 6:42:26 GMT -8
Oh, I'm positively shaking with excitement now! Ander, is there anyplace IC that GALSAF would like to make contact with the 401st/Republic to get this snowball rolling? I will throw in my two cents, since I created this storyline. I do plan for the Republic to get involved with the state of civil strife in the Deep Core. It may appear towards the later phases though, but members of the rebelling coalition will approach the Republic for help, creating a proxy war in this Cold War phase between the Empire and Republic. It all depends on things go, but I do plan for it to escalate to that state.
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Post by The 401st Division on May 21, 2014 6:47:36 GMT -8
Excellent! Any ETA on when the proxy war should take place?
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on May 21, 2014 7:47:28 GMT -8
Well let me think here. The progression of the campaign will be: Aargau -> Foerost -> Khomm -> Aargha -> Ojom. My guess is that somewhere between Foerost and Khomm or Khomm and Aargha is when the Imperial rebels will seek outside help and turn to the Republic. So midway through the storyline.
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 21, 2014 9:24:25 GMT -8
That midway point actually serves as a good opening for GALSAF to switch from intelligence gathering to active support efforts.
We'll have two phases of intelligence gathering, 1) Passive observation of the Deep Core and 2) Active observation of specific worlds, where rebellion begins.
After open conflict between the rebels and the Empire kicks off, and the rebellion contacts the Republic for help, GALSAF can likewise contact either the rebels and their new Republic proxy-supporters, or the Empire, depending one which side aligns most closely with our organization's views on how their respective populations are being treated. We'll stay allied with that side as long as the example they set continues to fall in line with our own standards. Of course, any change or adaption is taken into consideration, like I said before "nothing's black and white."
Our intelligence gathering will follow along the same path as the campaign's progression, Nicademus. That way we're up to date on what's going on, though I may end up having questions now and again.
401st, once we reach that tipping point, we can work out any details. Sound good?
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Post by The 401st Division on May 21, 2014 10:03:29 GMT -8
Sounds good to me, but I'm looking for a concrete estimate on when this begins. The 401st obviously isn't my main account, so I'd like some sort of an ETA so I can be prepared and not simply forget about what's about to go down.
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Post by Ander Tagira on May 21, 2014 12:16:33 GMT -8
I can work at as fast a pace as necessary, but that's a bit dependent on Nicademus, since he's overseeing the whole area. Unless he wants the Republic to stay away until it's been approached by the rebels, then you're free to start working in the area whenever you want, doing whatever you want. Like I said, we're just gathering intel right now, and won't be revealing our presence to anyone until the political/military climate starts shifting.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 12:47:12 GMT -8
I think the logical step would be to have the Rebels approaching the Republic, as I doubt they immediately require the assistance; since they do not know what's coming their way. The same could and would be said of the outer regions from the Deep Core, as I think that only rumours of the Remnant joining with the Empire would be travelling through the spacelanes via word of mouth.
Anyways - Tharkad won't approach the Republic until after the events on Khomm, as currently there is little need. That may change on the Alliance's counterparts, but his voice will remain silent about the foreign influences of the Republic unless required to garner under the table support.
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Post by The Admiralty OOC on May 21, 2014 16:34:30 GMT -8
Hmmm, I might have to get Marcos & his Battle Battalion in on the fun as heavy shock & awe (there is nothing quite so shocking as a full Battalion of Novatroopers charging directly at you screaming like crazy people).
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