Viox Savage
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Post by Viox Savage on Dec 14, 2019 21:26:59 GMT -8
So, the examples stated here, the military grade sensor masking system states it can be installed on nearly any ship of any size, so it wouldn't require any sort of surface installation to power it. At least that's my take away from that article.
As for the sensor jamming system, the Death Star never required a surface installation to power its hundreds of sensor jamming devices. And given the overall size of the Illusionist's submissions thus far, I highly doubt there would be that many of these devices on any of his submissions. I could be wrong, however.
Essentially, my point is; so far I do not see the need for a surface installation to power such devices. I imagine, as with other technology used in ships and on stations, it would be automatically implied that the technology used would be tailored to the ship/station it is being used on.
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Post by Nicademus Delvardus IV on Dec 14, 2019 21:41:22 GMT -8
The Death Star II had to have a surface installation for its shields and that was a gargantuan facility. They could have easily installed the necessary power generator on the battlestation during construction without the need for a ground based facility. Same could be said for a space station of this size to need additional power to ensure the countermeasures are properly powered. That is just my view though and, if others do not believe so, I will happily accept their opiniosn over mine.
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Mike Frantz
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Post by Mike Frantz on Dec 14, 2019 22:13:52 GMT -8
Honestly I think a major part of this is the not overly helpful description of what these systems are and could do. I don't have a problem with stations having some sensor jamming capabilities but what exactly is jamming in SW and would such a thing effect a combat situation on JvS?
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Post by Viox Savage on Dec 14, 2019 22:34:24 GMT -8
Masking - Conceal something from view. (Or in this case, another's sensors)
Jamming - become or make unable to move or work due to a part seizing or becoming stuck. (Or in this case, interfering with one's abilities to electronically sense or scan another)
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Post by Mike Frantz on Dec 14, 2019 22:39:06 GMT -8
I meant mechanically with how JvS works Viox. I understand what it's supposed to mean, but that doesn't exactly show how it's supposed to interact with sensors and what can and can't give away it's position and such.
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Post by Viox Savage on Dec 14, 2019 22:46:51 GMT -8
Well, as with all things, both of these countermeasures have drawbacks.
Masking would become null and void if the user attempted to attack an enemy, and a direct visual scan would obviously turn up results, informing whomever is searching for the masked target that they are being fooled. Offensive measures would be made to correct the masking, again, rendering it null and void.
Jamming would be an active defensive movement, meaning the one jamming an opponent would temporarily hold an advantage over an whomever was being jammed. In order to overcoming jamming, having to stop and reset scanners and sensors would be an issue for whomever is being jammed, but once sensors were reset, the jamming would be rendered ineffective.
Does that help clarify it a bit for you, Mike?
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Dec 15, 2019 21:08:31 GMT -8
Masking is intended to make a section of space seem like every other section of space around it. If you scanned a system for a ship or station, the Sensor Mask will take what ever noise or signal that is behind it and produce it in front. Imagine someone taking a photo of a tree and putting that photo in front of them, so that when you look, you see the photo of the tree and not the person behind the photo.
Jamming, on the other hand, is filling the air with a bunch of white noise meant to distort everything that comes back. If someone is trying to use a targeting system, a Sensor Jammer would render the system useless as it would not be able to determine a ship or station from the space surrounding it since it would all seem like one thing.
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Post by Viox Savage on Dec 15, 2019 21:39:43 GMT -8
Well said, good sir. That was a much better description than I came up with.
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Dec 18, 2019 23:01:47 GMT -8
So, having a look back, I see Jenia liked Nic's post, so I think it's safe to say she is on the side of Sensor Jammers/Masks being ok on stations.
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Post by Luxeria on Dec 30, 2019 12:23:28 GMT -8
So have we reached a verdict here? Things seemed to have drifted off. We we ok for stations having sensor jammers and mask of any size while full cloak not being allowed?
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Post by Zion Morviael [RETIRED] on Dec 30, 2019 13:14:27 GMT -8
I was giving it a couple days in case Mike wanted to chime in further. But yes, it does appear we have a consensus that cloaking technology is not ok, while sensor jamming/masking tech is fine.
Archiving this discussion.
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